Democrats, why are you turning on our Democratic President?

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    A Harvard/Harris poll has Biden's approval rating at 43% with his economic rating down at 39%. A CBS/YouGov survey has the president with an approval rating of 41% and an economic rating down at 36%. Reuters/Ipsos has the numbers coming in at 41% and 35%, respectively.

    With numbers that low, it means Democrats are showing their disapproval of the Democratic President.

    Unlike the previous President, President Biden quietly goes about his job without controversy. The Biden economy is doing quite well with historic lowest unemployment in six decades, robust spending, and inflation coming under control. Please bear in mind, inflation is a byproduct of prosperity. Because of vigorous spending in prosperous times, we can't have one without the other. Lower prices only come with recession and high unemployment.

    Although others are welcome to provide answers, this question is directed at Democrats. Also, age is not a factor in Biden's current performance.

    Why, as Democrats, do you disapprove of the Democratic President?
     
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    Biden has a problem, but it’s not with democrats. It’s with independents, the non-affiliated, less to non-partisan voters. Democrats are giving Biden an 80% favorable, 16% unfavorable. But independents rate Biden 38% favorable, 56% unfavorable. Question 3A. Biden’s overall job approval among Democrats 79% approve, 18% disapprove, but among the independent voter, 35% approval, 57% disapproval. Question 6. Granted, Biden’s favorable and overall job approval is a bit low when comparting them to historical averages from the president’s party. But it’s independents that is driving all the low ratings regardless of the issue.

    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/rj3bg6ve06/econTabReport.pdf

    The above is minor when considering Biden has 16 or so months to improve on them prior to next years election. The major numbers, at least for me are that only 24% of all Americans wants Biden to run again vs. 60% who do not. Those numbers are worst among independents, 17% want Biden to run again, 64% do not. Question 22. Remember Biden won independents in 2020 54-41 over Trump which gave him his 7 plus million win in the popular vote. Today, among independents in a rematch with Trump, 29% of independents say they’ll vote for Biden, 31% for Trump, 9% other, 8% unsure with 23% stating they won’t vote if there is a rematch. Those are bad numbers for Biden. Question 24.

    The good news for Biden is Trump’s numbers are as bad as his. But what catches my eye is the 32% of independents who state they’ll either vote third party or won’t vote at all. This number was 12% in 2020 when voter turnout was 62%, Biden winning independents by 13 points, 54-41. But in 2016, another election where the two major parties ran two disliked and unwanted to be the next president candidates, this number was 26% of independents who said they’d vote third party or not vote at all. Trump won independents in 2016 46-42 with 12% voting third party against both Trump and Clinton. 2024 has all the feel of being another 2016 if we have the rematch between two disliked and two unwanted major party candidates to become the next president.

    One last thing to remember, 2024 is an entirely different situation than 2020. 2020 was a referendum on Trump and his 4 years as president. 2024 will be a referendum on Biden and his 4 years as president. Biden was the alternative to Trump in 2020, it looks like Trump will be the alternative to Biden in 2024. The shoe is on the other foot.
     
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    A better question might be -- why are democrats supporting Biden? Just because you are a registered democrat you don't have to support a mentally impaired, totally incompetent, sexual predator, democrat president who has received money from foreign governments and refuses to answer questions from the media.
     
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    I am not a registered Dem, but Biden gets an 83% favorable rating among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents, so maybe its not the Dems who are showing disapproval. Rasmussen Poll shows 44% overall approval. It is what it is. IMO he won't be running for reelection, so maybe he is not too concerned about it. In inflation is tracking down and stock market up, and that will probably improve his numbers, but how much is anyone's guess.

    Of course its a factor.
     
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    Half the people who participate in public opinion polls have below average intelligence.
     
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    Did you hear that in a poll?
     
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    Lol

    I guess if anybodybsticks their head in the sand they can play pretend.

    No talk on interest rates, no talk on the impact to various industries and the increasing rates of layoffs and slow downs.

    We are just going to take a high economy with out of control inflation and celebrate it but say inflation is "coming under control"?

    I guess your hoping the Ds loose 2024 and then you can blame the tanking on somebody else.



    Well, we agree there. But the inflation in this case wasn't simply from "prosperity".

    In fact, Biden didnt even acknowledge it existed, then said it was short term, then years later claims its slowing.

    completely out of touch.
     
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    I agree. Biden’s problem isn’t Democrats. They’re going to vote for him regardless of what his approval rating is. Biden’s problem today is with independents. They soured on him. But Biden still has16 or so months to turn that around. Independents gave Biden a 55% approval rating for his first 6 month. But have averaged 39% since then. Since Biden won independents by 13 points in 2020, he needs to win them back, to regain their support. I’d say today it’s all about inflation, rising prices, all this other stuff Biden and company keep pushing, transgenderism, student debt forgiveness, abortion, etc. means little to independents unless that issue affects them personally. But how much they have to pay for a gallon of gas, a loaf of bread, eggs, hot dogs, rent, etc. that affects all of them personally. Although, some more than others. Right now in a head to head matchup with Trump, among independents only, Trump is polling ahead of Biden among independents. 38-28 with 7% stating other, 6% undecided, 21% saying they’ll not vote, stay home. Question 25


    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/01qmicwezl/econTabReport.pdf


    RCP also has Trump slightly ahead among all Americans.


    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general-election-trump-vs-biden-7383.html


    It might be the age factor; folks afraid Biden won’t survive another 4 years. Problem is his VP, Harris has even worst favorable/unfavorable rating than either Trump, Biden or DeSantis. Independents current view Harris, 29% favorable, 59% unfavorable. Question 32B first link. If something were to happen to Biden during his second term, they certainly don’t want to turn the reins over Harris. Age may become the number issue for 2024 even if inflation comes under control. Time will tell.
     
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    The economy is not that great. The inflation has already reduced the value of a dollar, regardless of what inflation is at this time. The unemployment rate is low because people who were previously working are no longer looking for work. The percent working was higher just before Trump left office than it is now.
     

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