Derek Chauvin stabbed by inmate in federal prison, seriously injured

Give it up, it's been debunked eons ago,

No evidence drug overdose was main cause of death for ...

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Nov 8, 2022 — Social media users are reviving a claim that George Floyd, a 46-year-old Black man killed in May 2020 actually died due to a drug overdose.

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'Former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin was recorded on video kneeling on a handcuffed Floyd’s neck for more than nine minutes during an arrest in Minneapolis on May 25, 2020 (here).

A detailed autopsy report and a toxicology report by NMS Labs made public with the consent of Floyd’s family and legal representatives said that Floyd had visible blunt force injuries on his body, including on his face and arm, and that a blood screen revealed his fentanyl levels at 11 ng/mL, norfentanyl at 5.6 ng/mL, and methamphetamine at 19 ng/mL (here).


During the murder trial for Chauvin, whose lawyers argued that Floyd had died as a result of a drug overdose, Dr. Andrew Baker, Hennepin County’s chief medical examiner, reiterated his autopsy findings. Reuters reported on Baker’s April 9, 2021 testimony (here) and a video can be seen (here), (here).

“Mr. Floyd’s use of fentanyl did not cause the subdual or the neck restraint, his heart disease did not cause the subdual or the neck restraint,” Baker told the jury. He added that while Floyd suffered from heart disease, and fentanyl and methamphetamine found in his blood may have played a role in the death, they “were not direct causes.”

Dr. Daniel Isenschmid, a forensic toxicologist, testified during Chauvin’s trial that the level of methamphetamine found in Floyd’s blood was comparable to levels found in samples taken from living people detained for driving under the influence of narcotics (here).'

 

Exactly, he was a dead man walking because he had a lethal dose of drugs in his body. He was complaining he couldn't breathe well before the knee, yet dems irrationally blame the knee.

But cant expect dems to have facts behind thier claims?

Expert witnesses, all the sudden arent experts when they say something dems dont want to hear.

 

It wasn't debunked at all lol.

Like I said, they dont deny he had a lethal dose in his body. They deny that was what killed him.

You simply dont like this reality, that coupled with the circumstances of his arrest where he was complaining about not being able to breathe due to his stress levels before he had the knee on him. He killed himself, both with his bad eating habits and drugs. The man was a train wreck, and yet a hero to dems lol.

 

So, you are disagreeing with the official cause of death with the ME? He ruled Floyd's death a homicide, which the ME showed he had an enlarged heart, needed more oxygen in which afixation by the pressure that Chauvin used on Floyd contributed to his death.

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Two of the officers were rookies, fresh out of the academy, on probation, and pretty much listen and obey senior officers. But Chauvin violated policy, per the police who, including Chauvin's boss, on how the arrest was made based on their own police procedures. When you have the detective, a senior police officer commander, and an expert witness go against Chauvin, you know he screwed up. You are simply regurgitating what conservative media is telling you. That is all.

And yet, Chauvin opened the car door, brought him outside, attempted to search him, etc, while being detained? People who are detained, even in traffic stops, are not handled in that sort of manner. Chauvin used the excuse or his gut that he was on drugs and instantaneous attempted to arrest him. Nor did Chauvin ask Floyd anything about the $20 bill that was fake. He pretty much assumed he was already guilty before gathering the facts.

The link you provided is by an author and not what happened on the witness stand and the evidence presented at trial. It is flubber for the conservative mindset trying to justify what Chauvin did. There are no false statements by me, and you are the one providing false statements on what the ME said on the damn autopsy report and on the death certificate. Unless you want to prove the ME wrong, you are more than welcome. Second, any "new evidence" you are showing was not shown in the trial. Only the evidence shown at trial matters. It is not enough to overturn a conviction in an appeal. And it is not enough to prove his innocence once he was found guilty by a jury of his peers.

 

Then you don't know how fentanyl works. If a death from fentanyl is going to occur, it will occur within an hour or less once you take the drug or whatever is laced with fentanyl. Second, the "small amount" that you refer too is more subjective on your part. Compared to cocaine, yes it is a "small amount" but even the amount that he had was not enough to kill him in an accidental drug overdose. Remember, he had a preexisting condition of an enlarged heart. That has nothing to do with fentanyl. According to his toxicology report, he had 11 ng/ML of fentanyl. The leathal dose for any fentanyl overdose is 26.4 ng/ML per the CDC. From the CDC, it says, "The manners of death included 40 accidents, 36 natural, 8 suicides, 5 therapeutic complications, and 3 undetermined deaths. Among the accidental fentanyl intoxication deaths, 32 of 37 involved substance abuse. The majority (95 %) of the 37 accidental deaths involving fentanyl were multi-drug intoxications. The substance abuse deaths had a mean fentanyl blood concentration (26.4 ng/ml or μg/L) that was over twice that of the natural group (11.8 ng/ml). Our analysis suggests a relationship between total patch dosage and mean postmortem fentanyl concentration up to the 100-μg/h dose." You can disagree with them, nor can you use your political arguments from the CDC, but in the end, it does not deter the fact nor disprove the fact he had no fatal dose whatsoever. Not based on science and science is a four-letter word in conservative circles that disproves their uneducated theories.

https://www.famous-trials.com/george-floyd/2648-george-floyd-the-toxicology-report

 

A change of venue is not going to get you a new trial at all. That was done initially in pretrial, rejected by the judge, and now Chauvin attempted to use it. In other words, Chauvin is just using his time in prison to file appeals with very little to no chance of succeeding.

 

You are projecting. Clearly you do not.

You dont know when he took or didnt take fentanyl.

Whether you percieve a lethal dose as a small amount is up to you. But it was lethal, especially considering his bad health.

It was absolutely enough to kill him. His preexisting conditions only helped make that happen.

Expert witnesses are no longer expert when they make a claim the left does not like. You can disagree with him, you can push the fake news you wish to, but that doesn't change the reality.

He couldnt breathe well before the knee was on him, because of his overdose.

The left is anything but pro science, thats simply how the left wants to perceive itself.

 

You never read the autopsy report. An enlarged heart, that needs more oxygen, the place where Chauvin placed his need in the back of his neck impeded his breath way, along with his weight, violated policy on such a procedure for a possible arrest and not used for detention, took him out of the car forcibly, again, violation of the procedure within the department, and others. No matter how much you deny, the facts in the case are incontrovertible in Derek Chauvin's guilty, as indicated by the jury of his peers.

 

There was also no medical or forensic evidence that the police officer's knee was the main cause of death either.

Medically, they believe that the main cause of death was a heart attack, and that the primary cause for that was restricted oxygen supply. But there were several factors that likely may have gone into that.

Maryland's former chief medical examiner, Dr. David Fowler, testified for Chauvin's defense.
"In my opinion, Mr. Floyd had a sudden cardiac arrhythmia, or cardiac arrhythmia, due to his atherosclerosis and hypertensive heart disease ... during his restraint and subdual by the police."
Floyd had narrowed coronary arteries, known as atherosclerosis, and an enlarged heart due to his high blood pressure, or hypertension. Floyd's fentanyl and methamphetamine use and a tumor known as a paraganglioma were other significant conditions that contributed to his death, he said.​

Former medical examiner says George Floyd died due to his heart disease -- not Derek Chauvin (cbs58.com)

Paraganglioma is a rare tumors that forms near the carotid artery, along nerve pathways in the head and neck. It could restrict blood flow to the brain. Some paraganglioma tumors release extra adrenaline into the body's bloodstream.

Fentanyl is an opioid and high levels of opioids are well known to contribute to respiratory depression (very slow and shallow breathing), sometimes even resulting in death in the case of an overdose.

Floyd was a smoker (of cannabis) so that is yet one small additional factor that may have reduced the capacity of the lungs to absorb oxygen.

 

Lol, false again.

It was not against policy to place his knee in that place. Any attempt to resist or fail to comply during detention can result in such a thing happening. Removing him from the vehicle is also not a violation of the procedure of the dept. These are all lies, ridiculously absurd interpretations of procedure to support another lie. THe "facts" you think exist, dont.

 

Exactly.

Simply opinions of "what caused his death more". And it wasn't unanimous among the experts either.

 

Having 11 ng/ML indicates he took fentanyl in the past, at least 24 hours, maybe 48 hours. It was not a lethal dose per the CDC 26.4 ng/ML as the lethal dose. But when it comes to lethal doses, it happens very quickly. That is why Narcan, the "miracle drug" must be administered very quickly if one is reacting badly and overdosing on fentanyl. A fentanyl death or any other death of a drug overdose is not a pleasant one,. It is a violent one. I have seen that once in my lifetime, although it was not fentanyl.

You don't know what pro-science is. And if you want to disagree with the minimum level of 26.4 ng/ML, then prove the CDC wrong with math and scientific experiments. Try that little adventure.

 

Police who testified said it was for that amount of time. That was proven in court. The rest of your post is another pure, conservative, MEGA hogwash

 

False, it isn't indicative of that at all. THat simply is a possibility. Again, you act like you know what you are talking about here but you do not.

Secondly, the expert witnesses stated he had a lethal dose, they just do not believe that was what killed him. And no, it doesn't always happen immediately.

Narcan is effective, but irrelevant here.

I know exactly what pro science is, and the left does not at all demonstrate those traits. THey demonstrate the traits of people who want to be percieved as pro science. That it is.

 

I made no reference to time in the post you quoted. Again, you are creating things in your head and arguing against them. The biggest issue I can see on the left, is right here. Constantly seeing what you want and arguing against things that were never said.

 

that is what happens in trial. However, the defense expert testimony was full of holes in cross examination and proved they did not know what they were talking about or their personal view did not coincide with facts. No defense expert is going to agree with the prosecution experts on that particular subject matter. thus, this is a false statement in and of itself and shows how little those who are posting here truely understands how the judicial system works and thinks that something on Perry Mason or Matlock is how it really works. No it does not. Not in reality.

 

It wasn't full of holes at alll, it was cross examined and other expert opinions were given and as it turns out there are many different versions of what experts believed happened largely based on which side they were on.

WHat you claim was proven, objectively wasnt. You heard opinions you liked and ran with that as the allegedly objective occurrence which didnt happen.

You simply dont understand language, and the vast manner in which it can be interpreted and run with your interpretation or the interpretation of those who you like, as the only way.

Ultimately, many experts have made claims that arent unanimous. What is clear though, is he had a lethal does in him and major health issues and was complaining about his impending death because he couldnt breathe, well before any knee was placed on him.

 

It is practically listed that way on the toxicology report, at least the amount, 11 ng/ML. there was caffine, three types of THC, which means he smoked pot, meth, and some other things. Here is the actual toxicology report, I would suggest you read it and read the notes.

 

I suggest you take your own advice, if you wanna disagree with experts when it suits you, thats fine.

 

Whether it was cannabis or fentanyl, neither was high enough at that time to cause his death. He had an enlarged heart, which means, from a cardiologist's point of view, he needed more oxygen. Second, there is a reason why that type of restraint is not used by police. It was forbidden by the Minneapolis Police Department, per the policy. With slightly less than ten minutes, it was also clear he was struggling, asking for help, with Chauvin, acting as lead officer, refused. He even refused for EMTs to help, and they testified against him at trial based on what they saw. Chauvin, per police procedure, should have taken his knee off his neck impeded his breathing, and allowed the EMT to assist when he needed it. The EMTs eventually assisted when he lost consciousness and that was the fatal error by Chauvin.

https://apnews.com/article/was-offi...k-authorized-639cab5a670173ea9cc311db4386abf2

 

I am disagreeing with the defense expert and going with the two experts the prosecution called. Both did fine and did not budge in their cross. that was not the case with your own defense expert. But the challenge still remains to you Moolk, but it may appear that you won't accept the challenge simply because there is no one on the internet that will prove your claims.

 

The fentanyl levels were theoretically high enough to be able to cause death.

I bet if an adult man with a smaller body mass than Floyd had taken that much fentanyl, they wouldn't be alive.

The cannabis levels, while they weren't extremely high, were still enough to make an individual "high" and considered "under the influence". Certainly Floyd should not have been behind the wheel of a car. (Probably another factor why the police initially decided to get involved)

Methamphetamine can put additional strain on the heart.

one source says this:
"Both regular and sporadic meth use affects the lungs negatively, causing severe injury to the lung tissue and vessels around the lungs that carry oxygen."
Smoking methamphetamine can also cause excess fluid in the lungs, contributing to restricted oxygen supply. Cases of Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome are known to occur in meth addicts.

 

Yes, you are choosing to agree with the expert that aligns your agenda. All experts held their own and gave their opinions, while not budging. You simply interpret that incorrectly, because that helps you believe what you want to. The challenge you have presented is irrelevant as I do not have any obligation to prove something to someone whom has demonstrated themselves incapable of objective thinking.

But my claims remain correct. You still likely dont have any clue what my claims actually are. You have already accused me of saying thats I didnt.

 

People have died with less in their body. Lethal doses vary based on health.

The scumbags health was terrible.

 

It wasn't just one or two, or even three or four additional health factors.

You'd have to make a long list of all the health issues that he had. It's the type of thing a person would get tired out just listing and trying to explain.