DeVos: If States Discriminate Against LGBTQ Students, It’s Cool By Me

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  1. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's doesn't, it says..........

     
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    Sorry you cannot handle simple subtraction and division.

    When a child transfers from a public school , to a private one (or even another public one) , via vouchers, his/her parents are allowed up to 50% of the money per student in their original public school, thus leaving the other 50% (or more) of the money with the public school, with ONE LESS STUDENT TO SPEND IT ON.

    It actually INCREASES THE $$ PER STUDENT IN THAT SCHOOL
    . Yeah..some "stealing".

    It has nothing to do with money; you are just pissed that parents are successfully escaping the LGBT Indoctrination and other leftist bullshit that is the current norm in our public schools.

    Your phony fiscal outrage fools no one.
     
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    And this is why we don't have all girls public schools. But we're not talking about public schools, are we? We're talking about a voucher system that allows for individual choice of institution and curriculum. These alternatives to public education are absolutely necessary because of tyrants like you that have created a failed educational model. It is a model that has been strangled by ulterior political motives and is consistently out performed by models that are tailored to individual educational need.

    Why is this imaginary school the best one in the area? What is it about YOU that makes you imagine a school that doesn't allow blacks as the best one in the area? What is it about the imaginary area that prevents anyone from opening a competitor to that school that does allow blacks and gays, and what's preventing that inclusive school from being better?

    Bad ideas should not be made illegal. They should be made obvious.
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's obvious that certain people do not want a government controlled by the people. They want people controlled by the government.
     
  5. Vegas giants

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    You want to go back to the good old days when white Christians could use government funding to discriminate against minorities. You love to ask questions and fail to answer them. If you have a school in a rural area and it is the best one and it takes public funding you want to keep out minorities. The best schools will ALWAYS be for the white straight majority. You can try....but we won't let you.
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If it's a private school doesn't matter where it's at...its going to be better than a public school = why parents want vouchers and school choice for their kids.
    It leaves more money per student in the public school...but it takes money from the UNIONS, which is what the left is really pissed about.....
     
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    If you take state money you can't discriminate. Its that simple
     
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    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You honestly wanted me to tell you who's allowed to go to your imaginary best school? How am I supposed to know who can go to school in your imagination?

    I take issue with your prejudice that allows you to believe white only schools are the best schools.
     
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    Let me tell you who can go to schools that take state funds. Everyone (absent compelling interest). That's who
     
  10. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Making up your own laws, now? Parochial schools in the voucher program, are not required to alter their admission standards to accommodate homosexuals, if they have religious reasons not to.

    Why do you keep harping on it? It is the LAW OF THE LAND. Your madeup bullshit is not.

    Here's a pro-LGBT rag bemoaning the FACTS of the LAW, allowing religious schools, receiving voucher money, to not be FORCED by the LGBT Attack Sqaud to kowtow to their agenda:

    No Choice Left: School Voucher Programs and the Gay Exception

    "...No programs have statutes that explicitly protect students from discrimination on the bases of sexual identity or orientation. To the contrary, many states allow religious schools to discriminate against students on these bases. Voucher laws in eight states — Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Nevada, Oklahoma, and Tennessee — have provisions regarding compliance with school policies. Georgia’s law, for example, states that “schools need not alter “curriculum or program of instruction to participate, and [that] parents and students must comply with all published private school policies.” This presents a major threat to LGBT students in religious states, whose options mainly consist of schools like Shiloh Hills Christian School in Kennesaw, Georgia. Shiloh Hills’ policy maintains “participating in, promoting, or supporting homosexual activity” as grounds for expulsion.

    The map below shows religiosity by state. The darkest states have the highest percentage of adult residents who are religious. The eight states with policy compliance clauses in their voucher statutes are among some of the most religious in the country. To compound this, statistics show that roughly 70% of private K-12 schools across the country are religiously-affiliated. In a state like Georgia, where the voucher program is statewide and 60-69% of the state is religious, LGBT students’ choices in which school to attend may be dramatically fewer than those of their straight counterparts.



    https://www.newamerica.org/educatio...ft-school-voucher-programs-and-gay-exception/
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    The LGBT agenda is one of the MAIN THINGS parents are seeking to avoid in removing their children from public schools.

    And , guess what?

    IT IS THEIR RIGHT TO DO SO.

    Deal with it. Americans are sick of being forced by the LGBT Brownshirts to have lifestyles they are religiously opposed to, and consider deviant, forced into their lives, and the lives of their children.

    It's about time they pushed back..and it will spread...as it should.

    Some people are fine with the LGBT community= fine

    Some people are not fine with it= also fine.

    It's called Freedom of association, in addition to the clearly stated 1st Amendment, that NO LAW, shall restrict the peoples' Free Practice of their religion.

    More of that " freedom" stuff the left so loathes.
     
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    So... not everyone. Like I've been saying.
     
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    You logical conclusions are severely lacking in depth and understanding.........it's actually tragic. You skew everything to a left/right divide even to the determent of a free society. Perfect sheeple behaviour.
     
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    Duh
     
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    The essence of this case came down to the Court ruling that a "closely held for-profit corporation" enjoyed the same rights as a person.

    I am waiting for the time when someone closes down a "closely held for-profit corporation" and gets accused of murder.
     
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    Please explain why you believe adults with no children should pay school taxes.
     
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    It also allows parents to successfully escape the horrid Evilution Indoctrination.

    It also allows parents to successfully escape the horrid Critical Thinking Indoctrination.
     
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    Why would you call him un-American? Could be he has a different point of view than you. Then again, I know, some people are completely intolerant of other peoples views.
     
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    I use to think like that. Then I had to look at the big picture. Education is offered to every child in the United States for grades K through 12. In some cases even pre-school and college afterwards. I myself received public education for my first 9 years and parochial education for the rest which my parents paid for. So what were the benefits to people like you and others from people like us who received any public funding?

    I only have a couple thoughts and I'm sure others could chip in with other examples.

    1. I learned how to interact with my peers and pretty much how to get along with others instead of becoming a gang-banger and becoming a criminal. I learned respect for your rights and your property rights.

    2. I received enough education to qualify to join the military and go overseas and help defend my country so you could be safe and free. Others before me and after me have given their lives so our country can enjoy a higher standard of living than most. I'm grateful for all educated military men and woman who have devoted themselves to protecting our Constitution and way of life.

    3. As I am now heading into the twilight of my life I am very grateful for all the educated people who have made some fantastic breakthroughs in medicine and medical technology. Available to you, if needed, complements from those who have paid for the education of our children past and future. Personally, I know first hand. My father was one of the first groups who took part in a study that wore contact lenses. When I broke my back my surgeon performed one of the first procedures using rods and pins to repair my spine. He even put the procedure in a medical journal.

    4. All you need to do is look around. Electricity, air conditioning, transportation system, etc.
     
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    Yeah, duh. Your position is: selective enrollment is only okay when you say it is. My position is, let people decide for themselves when it's okay.

    Your position is grounded in a lack of faith that your choices are the right choices. That's why you require the government to impose and enforce them.

    My position is the opposite. I believe that unfair practices and poor decisions whither through lack of participation and competition with better ideas. You structured your hypothetical as the white only school being the best school. Why? Why is the "solution" to your fictional white only school being the best to force them to enroll students?

    Remember, it was government force that imposed the segregation you’re trying to eliminate through the use of government force. Why are you so positive that your view must be imposed on others ? What makes you think your policy will have the intended outcome? What makes you think your definition of outgroups will flourish if only we can force them into your perceived in groups?
     
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    How can you keep getting this so wrong? Discrimination is not allowed when I say it is. It is allowed when someone can make a case to be presented before the court that the government has a compelling interest in allowing this discrimination. I have ZERO say in this. This is such a basic constitutional principle that your argument is always flawed because you start from a false premise.
     
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    No, you just don't know WTF you're talking about. What I described is exactly how vouchers work= one less student tp pay for, but keep 1/2 the money allocated for the now gone student. The only people who are upset are the uniondemthugs...BECAUSE IT' SLESS MONEY FOR THEM.

    What's best for the students and their parents, the TAXPAYERS, is of no concern to the UnionDemThugs.
     
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    Hardly. Evolutionary THEORY is taught at parochial schools, as what it IS: THEORY.

    As private schools, parochial and otherwise, routinely BLOW AWAY public school SAT scores, your asinine claim about "ciritcal thinking" (hilarious from a leftist), is clearly not worth further comment.
     
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    Already been adjudicated. You lost.

    I provided a link with the name of a parochial school, receiving voucher money, and not-allowing gay students.

    You just can't get your mind around the fact that Americans ARE ACTUALLY ALLOWED TO BE AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY, regardless of the judicial lawlessness of the past 8 years.

    Deal with it, or not; but your legal claims are BULLSHIT, as I have already proven.
     
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    Please note that my question was addressed to Grokmaster. I, someone who has no school age children, have no problem funding public education, as long as my tax dollars do not fund religious education.
     
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    Thank you for proving my point...

    That you equate SAT scores with "critical thinking", shows you have no idea what critical thinking means.
     
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