Did Zionists Entangle the U.S. in WWI?

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  1. Defengar

    Defengar New Member

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    We had the right to do whatever the hell we wanted when it came to trade. The German's could (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) at us all they wanted, but it was fully within out right to trade with the Triple Entente. Their attacks on American merchant ships, regardless of destination however was not without a declaration of war. And the Zimmermann telegram was one of the dumbest moves in the entire history of warfare. It really illustrated how out of touch with reality old European powers were, and how much they underestimated the US. Much to Germany's chagrin.

    Germany should have looked at this little chart (one on the left) to see how bad of an idea it was to test US power:

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    And even if we hadn't given aid to the British, the Brits would have carried on by simply increasing the draw of resources from their colonial holdings. Imo, if the US hadn't entered the war, the conflict would still have gone south for the Germans. Not outright defeat like they suffered in 1918, but the war would have dragged on into 1919 or early 1920 and both sides would have come to some sort of at least temporary peace agreement as everyone's military's would be utterly spent. Germany would still fare worse in the terms as they would likely be in the worst shape.
     
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    The USA joined the war against Germany cause the Germans kept on attacking our ships in the Atlantic.

    its that simple.

    no attack ships...USA no join war.
     
  3. Defengar

    Defengar New Member

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    Also this:

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    Really not a good idea to go around the back of someone who is already on the edge of conflict with you and trying to collude a military alliance against them with their neighbor (especially if that might leak out).
     
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    Zimmerman Letter did not force the USA into the war.

    the attack upon 3 American ships is what did it.
     
  5. Uri

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    You can blame WW1 on us too, we dont really care, we are kinda used to it.

    Anything else?
    Cancer? Aids? Weather?
     
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    Do you know how it worked at geopolitical level? I guess you don't.

    While the war was going on European powers imported more and more from US [European industries and economies were a bit busy in the war effort ...]. After a first period [US government had asked to US bank not to expose themselves with EU partners] the US had to allow banks to give credit to Europeans [during a world war money is not that easy to find to import paying cash ...].

    This generated an increasing linkage between US economy and EU economy.

    Materially: sea routes to Europe needed protection [and this usually calls for military activities].

    The central powers, on the other hand, had interest in damaging this connection, so they begun to attack US convoys ...

    The enter in WW I for Washington became more and more unavoidable.
     
  7. MaxxMurxx

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    The Balfour Declaration of 1917 was the British reward for German and British Zionists to drag the USA into the war. The immediate cause for the US to join WWI was the "Zimmermann Telegram", the fake invitation to Mexico to join Germany into a war against the USA. Arthur Zimmermann was Secretary in the German Foreign Office and board member of the German Zionist Association. Not only didn't he have any authority to write and send such an invitation, he also sent the telegram via British oversea cables, when after cutting the German cables all German diplomatic correspondence was sent by the giant wireless transmitter in Nauen/Germany. Zimmermann also sent his telegram to the German embassy in Washington D.C instead of sending it to the German Embassy in MexĂ­co City, which would have been more logic. The telegram, allegedly decrypted by British Intelligence was personally handed to President Wilson by Lord Balfour. Wilson immediately declared war against the German Reich. The Balfour Declaration later was included in the preamble of the mandate contract over Palestine given to the British Empire by the League of Nations which had been founded by the British Empire the day before. If that is not a plot, what is a plot?

    Lord Balfour also was Vice Chief of the British "Versailles Treaty Delegation" and Chief of the "League of Nations Reparation Commission". The Balfour Declaration of 1917 had been written by Lord Balfour, Chaim Weizman and Woodrow Wilson himself.
     
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    100% false.

    The USA only joined the war after three American ships were attacked by the Germans.
     
  9. MaxxMurxx

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    Which ones?

    Just in case:

    The LUSITANIA was a British Cunard Liner sunk in May 1915. The USA entered WWI in April 1917, 2 years later.
    The SUSSEX was not sunk at all.
    Nr. 3?
     
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    In early 1917 Berlin forced the issue. The decision to try to sink every ship on the high seas was the immediate cause of American entry into the war. Five American merchant ships went down in March. Outraged public opinion now overwhelmingly supported Wilson when he asked Congress for a declaration of war on April 2, 1917.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_entry_into_World_War_I#Sinking_American_merchant_ships
     
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    Yes. WikiPedia. Sleep well.
     
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    Concerning Naval Warfare:

    Wilson sought war with Germany and purposefully drew the US into World War I.
    “I am an advocate of peace, but there are some splendid things that come to a nation through the discipline of war,” said Wilson and he would seek after those progressive “splendid things” when the opportunity of WW I arose.

    It is an often overlooked fact of WW I that Great Britain’s powerful navy blockaded Germany and in so doing starved the German population. And guess who led the British in this distant blockade (which was against international law at the time)? Our dear beloved Winston Churchill, the First Lord of the Admiralty. This blockade drove the Germans to retaliate with submarine warfare (U-boats), and they warned that “neutral ships will be exposed to danger” and it would be “impossible to avoid attacks being made on neutral ships in mistake for those of the enemy.” This was especially true since British abused the rules of war by decorating their warships with neutral flags to lure German submarines to the surface and destroy them.

    Wilson all the while claimed neutrality but was actually very pro-British. The British blockade and the German unrestricted submarine warfare both violated the rights of neutral nations under international law. But he refused to acknowledge that the former had led to the latter. German misdeeds against vessels carrying Americans received swift denunciation from Wilson, but the terrible British blockade that starved hundreds of thousands of Germans to death got a slap on the wrist. The Germans even proposed to end their unrestricted sub warfare if the British would end the blockade; the British refused. It was this double standard that would drive Wilson to bring the US into the war.

    The cunning Churchill knew of Wilson’s irrational disposition and used it to his advantage: “It is most important to attract neutral shipping to our shores in the hope especially of embroiling the United States with Germany….” Britain aimed to lure America into the war. Indeed, by making it dangerous for the German submarines to surface, Churchill would increase his chances of success: “The submerged U-boat had to rely increasingly on underwater attack and thus ran the greater risk of mistaking neutral for British ships and of drowning neutral crews and thus embroiling Germany with other Great Powers.” By that time, the US was the only great power left that had remained neutral.

    The most famous incident was the sinking of the Lusitania. But you will seldom read in school textbooks that the German government actually published warnings in major newspapers not to book passage on the great vessel. But most passengers ignored the warning. The German U-boat only fired one torpedo at the Lusitania and, to the surprise of the German captain Walter Schwieger, that was all it took. The liner went down so quickly that Swieger noted, “I could not have fired a second torpedo into this thing of humanity attempting to save themselves.” A total of 124 Americans died.

    What was the American reaction to this tragedy? Hardly any of the newspapers advocated that declaring war was the proper response. Secretary of State William Jennings Bryan certainly had no desire to go to war over it and challenged Wilson’s double standard head on: “Why be shocked by the drowning of a few people, if there is no objection to a starving nation?” It was of no use and Bryan resigned in protest. Senators Wesley Jones of Washington and Robert Follette of Wisconsin urged the President to exercise restraint.

    Bryan’s replacement, Robert Lansing, reveals that the Wilson administration was determined to go to war: “In dealing with the British government, there was always in my mind the conviction that we would ultimately become an ally of Great Britain and that it would not do, therefore, to let our controversies reach a point where diplomatic correspondence gave place to action.” American protests against Britain were carefully “submerged in verbiage. It was done with deliberate purpose. It insured the continuance of the controversies and left the questions unsettled, which was necessary in order to leave this country free to act and even act illegally when it entered the war.”

    Germany then agreed to call off the sub warfare if Wilson would pressure Britain to stop the hunger blockade (Sussex Pledge). Wilson refused.

    Then Wilson did the most irresponsible act that brought us into war: he ordered that merchant ships be armed with US Navy guns and staffed with US Navy crews and that they fire on any surfacing submarines they encountered. Under such circumstances, the ships sailed into the war zone. Wilson sent out ships with the purpose of sacrificing them in order to push America into war! Four of them had been sunk by the time Wilson requested a declaration of war from Congress. It was only after the war that Congress would realize what a dangerous fanatic Wilson was and actually stood up to him be rejecting the Treaty of Versailles, especially Article 10 the League of Nations. This article obligated each League member to preserve the territorial integrity of the other member states. Why should the US sacrifice blood and treasure for obscure border disputes in Europe? Congress was not advocating isolationism as many have asserted but rather defending its own constitutional authority to decide when America goes to war.

    John Bassett Moore, a distinguished professor of international law at Columbia University who would serve on the International Court of Justice after the war, argued that “what most decisively contributed to the involvement of the United States in the war was the assertion of a right to protect belligerent ships on which Americans saw fit to travel and the treatment of armed belligerent merchantmen as peaceful vessels. Both assumptions were contrary to reason, and no other neutral advanced them.” Wilson apparently believed that every American, in time of war, had the right to travel aboard armed, belligerent merchant ships carrying munitions of war through a declared submarine zone. No other neutral power had ever proclaimed such a doctrine, let alone gone to war over it!

    http://conservativecolloquium.wordp...n-americas-worst-and-first-fascist-president/

    Another good reading:

    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm
     
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    Benjamin Freedman is Jewish
     
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    Benjamin Freedman was a very self-hating Jew, who made very disgusting claims against the Jews that he had no evidence for.

    I have heard his speeches. He never backs up his claims. He simply says "this happened and that happened".

    He's like a Wikipedia article with zero sources and references.
     
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    1. Freedman is a source, he is eye witness.
    2. Every Jew with non mainstream opinion automatically is "anti semitic"?
    3. Every Non Jew with non mainstream opinion automatically is "neonazi"?
    Look at yourself.
     
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    Freedman has no evidence for his claims.

    He was a liar.
     
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    Sure. When YOU say it.
     
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    kindly link to Friedman's evidence for his many claims about WW1.

    thanks.
     
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    Quote from the speech I have already linked:

    Who knew it? President Wilson knew it. Colonel House knew it. Other 's knew it. Did I know it? I had a pretty good idea of what was going on: I was liaison to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., in the 1912 campaign when President Wilson was elected, and there was talk around the office there.

    I was 'confidential man' to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., who was chairman of the Finance Committee, and I was liaison between him and Rollo Wells, the treasurer. So I sat in these meetings with President Wilson at the head of the table, and all the others, and I heard them drum into President Wilson's brain the graduated income tax and what has become the Federal Reserve, and also indoctrinate him with the Zionist movement.

    Justice Brandeis and President Wilson were just as close as the two fingers on this hand, and President Woodrow Wilson was just as incompetent when it came to determining what was going on as a newborn baby. And that's how they got us into World War I, while we all slept.


    That is at least more first hand knowlegde as you an I might have together.
    Before you start asking silly questions or making irrelevant comments about the quote: read the speech!
     
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    wow, Friedman sure did think a lot of himself.

    :cheerleader:
     
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    And why should his opinion be less relevant than yours?
     
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    he's not merely stating opinions.

    he's claiming to be making statements of fact, of incredible historical significance.

    ...without any evidence other than "I heard this".
     
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