Dissent and Democratic Reform in China

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  1. RollingWave

    RollingWave New Member

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    protest like that happen all the time in China in recent years. AFAIK no one's been hanged for letting it happen, though some dissent leaders have been jailed, and if they protested against corruption then some officials might be in deep trouble. but the one you refed was mostly about private sector related.
     
  2. waltky

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    Oldsters vs. the young crowd ...

    China coup rumors may be wild, but tension is real
    March 22, 2012, The fates of prominent Communist Party officials Bo Xilai and Zhou Yongkang point up the clash between economic reformers and Maoist traditionalists.
     
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    waltky Well-Known Member

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    Communist Party official Bo Xilai's firing was openly discussed online by citizens...
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    Change in China steadily wrought by Internet
    Saturday, March 31, 2012 - On the eve of Taiwan's presidential election in January, a Shanghai netizen recounted a conversation with a Taiwanese friend who told him that he intended to vote the following morning, "and we will know who will be the president by the evening." Responded the netizen: "You guys are too backward. If we had to vote tomorrow morning, tonight we would already know who would be elected."
     
  4. tok3z

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    How like an American to think al Qaeda terrorists fight for democracy in China, but if they attack western targets then they're "jealous of (y)our freedoms"...
    The Uygur rioters in Urumqi in 2009 were terrorists who went around the city brutally attacking the elderly, women and children...
     
  5. reedak

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    The last words of a drunken samurai after a long drinking spree with his American boss at a bar in Okinawa.
     
  6. reedak

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    I am glad that you admit the existence of racism everywhere else, which of course includes Japan and the US. At least when you made such a remark, you were not so drunk at that moment.
     
  7. reedak

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    Well said. Welcome aboard, tok3z. Our friend waltky never replies in the forum. He just likes to murmur everything to himself like an old granny.

    You have put up a good show in your debate with Albert in another forum. Keep it up. I look forward to see you trouncing him in the debate.
     
  8. tok3z

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    Ty reedak... I'm sure if waltky won't argue his points then someone else will on his behalf...
    They tag out when losing debate so that someone else can regurgitate the same talking points that have already been addressed...
     
  9. waltky

    waltky Well-Known Member

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    Dem Chinese peoples need to be able to speak out more so the gov't know what's on dey's mind...
    :nod:
    US mayor lectures Chinese official on freedom of speech
    Mon, Sep 10, 2012 - Beijing is fighting to have an artist’s mural promoting independence for Taiwan and Tibet removed from a brick wall in the small town of Corvallis, Oregon.
     
  10. reedak

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    Don't worry, when "dem Chinese people" speak out, their voices are loud and clear, as seen in the widespread protests across China on 15 September. :shocked:

    As shown in the history of the Boxer Uprising and Taiping Rebellion, they could speak out with earthshaking and devastating impact .

    Thousands protest at Japanese embassy in Beijing
    http://za.news.yahoo.com/thousands-protest-japanese-embassy-beijing-125744687.html

    Anti-Japan Protests, Beijing - Sept. 15 2012 [1]
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyH4RzrtT_w

    Anti-Japan Protests, Beijing - Sept 15 2012 [2]
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH_cP0xkjg4

    Boxer Rebellion
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion

    Taiping Rebellion
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion

    The protests on 15 September were eerily reminiscent of the beginning of the Boxer Uprising a century ago. The protesters were frustrated with their government's cosmetic measure of sending a few patrol ships to play merry-go-round at the disputed Diaoyu Islands. Some of the protesters even called for a war against Japan.

    A century has passed since the Boxer Uprising, and China has entered the Space Age. The country has become the world's second largest economy, yet the mentality of a section of the population remains the same. The spirit of Ah Q still refuses to go away.

    This forebodes more trouble for the government if it does not respond effectively (except waging war) to the Japanese move.
     
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    And watch the ever increasing unrest, when the Chinese economy stalls out due to American and European loss of consumption ability. Print all the money you want, and it will never make up for the 50 million + middle class manufacturing jobs that have been destroyed, and replaced with jobs that consume rice, a scooter, and coal.
     
  12. waltky

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    ... the Japanese devils are too evil...
    :omg:
    China protests mix colonial anger, modern dispute
    Sep 18,`12 -- Old wounds amplified outrage over a burning territorial dispute Tuesday as thousands of Chinese protested Tokyo's purchase of islands claimed by Beijing and marked the 81st anniversary of a Japanese invasion that China has never forgotten.
     
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    China evictin' it's people outta their homes...
    :?
    China evictions increase, leading to more unrest
    October 11. 2012 -– China says it has worked hard to overhaul its judicial system in ways that better protects human rights, but one of the country's most widespread abuses is increasing and is a leading cause of unrest.
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    Fears of runaway pollution crisis in China as THIRD river mysteriously turns white
    11 October 2012 - Industrial dumping of chemicals thought to be major cause of bizarre colourings; Last month the city of Chongqing woke up to find their river had turned red; Locals complain they cannot use rivers for livestock drinking water or for washing and cleaning
     
  14. waltky

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    Granny says, "Dat's right - dey want dey's MTV...
    :grandma:
    Survey: Half of Chinese like U.S. ideas on democracy
    Oct 16,`12 -- People in China are increasingly worried about corruption, inequality and food safety, according to a survey that also found that about half of Chinese like American ideas about democracy.
     
  15. reedak

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    Grandpa says, "Dat's right - dey want dey's food stamps... :hungry:

    Food stamps provide a necessary service to millions of Americans. Without it, millions of Americans, including millions of children and elderly people, would have nothing to eat. However, there are numerous issues with the food stamp program, none of which have easy solutions.

    Ever since the housing collapse triggered the recession that began in 2008, millions of Americans have been battered and beaten down, struggling to find jobs and stay afloat during this dire crisis in their lives. They watch as this government that should be attacking these problems has become totally dysfunctional, collapsing under the weight of a broken and corrupted political system.

    Since half the Chinese population like American ideas about democracy, why not send them over to the US in exchange for half the American population, so that those Chinese dreamers can experience the struggle of finding jobs and staying afloat in the US?

    Growing Anger, Despair and Frustration Across America; The Calm Before the Storm?
    http://www.opednews.com/articles/Growing-Anger-Despair-and-by-michael-payne-110907-170.html

    Food Stamps in America – Readers Weigh In
    http://cashmoneylife.com/food-stamps-in-america-readers-weigh-in/
     
  16. waltky

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    New Chinese leadership gonna have to offer up some reforms...

    China’s New Leaders Facing Pressures to Reform
    November 05, 2012 — China begins a once-in-decade leadership transition this week when officials meet Thursday for the 18th Communist Party Congress. The stakes are higher than previous transitions because of growing public concerns about corruption and the party’s lack of transparency. Just how the new leaders will respond to the challenges remains a mystery.
     
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    http://news.yahoo.com/tibetan-lights-self-fire-anti-china-protest-081609298.html
     
  18. reedak

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    Dear pimptight,

    If you enjoy watching "human firework", there is a good chance that you can watch it from the comfort of your bedroom's window.

    Self-immolation has been practiced for many centuries, especially in India, for various reasons, including Sati, political protest, devotion, and renouncement. It has become a global fad, spreading from India to Vietnam, the US (even outside a White House gate), Tunisia, Canada, Mexico, Chile, Afghanistan, Egypt, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Mauritania, Iran, Turkey, Israel, South Korea, Japan, China, Sri Lanka, Russia, Britain, Sweden, Switzerland, Poland, Hungary, Germany, former Czechoslovakia, Serbia, Lithuania, Italy, Vatican City, Sicily, Australia, etc.

    If anybody knows of any other American self-immolation cases that are missing from my list, please feel free to share your knowledge with us.

    1. Young son of an American officer based at the U.S. Embassy in Saigon, date unknown (between 1963 and 1965?)

    2. Alice Herz, an 82 year old pacifist, March 16, 1965, Detroit street corner, Michigan.

    3. Norman Morrison, a 31-year-old Quaker pacifist of Baltimore, November 2, 1965, under the Pentagon window of Defense Secretary Robert McNamara's office.

    4. Roger Allen LaPorte, November 9, 1965, in front of the Dag Hammarskjold Library at the United Nations, New York.

    5. Florence Beaumont, 15 October 1967, Federal Building, Los Angeles.

    6. Student George Winne Jr, May 10, 1970, Revelle Plaza, University of California, San Diego.

    7. Kathy Change, 1996, University of Pennsylvania campus.8.

    8. 52-year-old unidentified man, November 15, 2004, outside a White House gate.

    9. Malachi Ritscher, 2006, Chicago.

    10. Dean Lorenzo Turnbull Jr., August 9, 2008, Waldorf, Maryland.

    11. Nin Soo Chun, October 30, 2008, Red Square, University of Washington (UW), Seattle.

    12. Sophomore Kurt Scheele, October 31, 2008 (Halloween night), Mt. Hope Cemetery, western New York.

    13. Cecilia E. Casals, August 14, 2009, a shopping mall in Miami.

    As a gesture of reciprocation for US human rights concerns in China, the Chinese ambassador to the US should visit the US historic scenes of self-immolation.

    Man sets himself on fire outside White House
    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-11-15-man-fire-white-house_x.htm

    Self-Immolation
    http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/archive/oldnews2/selfimmolation.htm

    Another Self-Immolation
    http://copycateffect.blogspot.sg/2008/11/another-self-immolation.html

    Self-immolation
    http://religion.wikia.com/wiki/Self-immolation

    Self-immolation: A brief history
    http://theweek.com/article/index/211349/self-immolation-a-brief-history

    Thich Quang Duc
    http://medlibrary.org/medwiki/Thich_Quang_Duc
     
  19. waltky

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    Granny says dey's a buncha commonists...
    :grandma:
    China's Great Political Leap Backward
    November 13, 2012, An increasingly out of touch Communist leadership vows to "resolutely not follow Western political models."
     
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    You want to know the difference between me and you?

    Because I don't have an agenda when I post, I don't care that you just pointed out that people have done the same in the US.

    See to me the act demands a response from people. I'm not here to defend my team. I am my team!

    If those injustices in the US were worthy of such a extreme response then lets talk about them.

    My guess is that you don't want to talk about what China has done to the Tibetan people to bring about that response though, huh?

    Got quiet like a church around here huh?
     
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    You are either so stressed or absent-minded that you dumped the same old rubbish on two separate threads in the same forum.

    Please refer to your same post and my answers in http://www.politicalforum.com/asia/274409-chinas-oppression-tibet-2.html
     
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    New boss in China...

    China confirms leadership change
    15 November 2012 - As Xi Jinping walked out to be presented as China's new leader, one thing was immediately clear to all of us waiting in the Great Hall of the People. His will be a different style of leadership from that of his predecessor Hu Jintao.
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    U.S. to China: Let's talk about your nukes
    November 14th, 2012 - China is modernizing its military at a "remarkable rate," including its own nuclear weapons capability, says a congressionally mandated panel exploring the relationship between the United States and China.
     

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