Do "good people" associate with racist hate groups?

They often hide their identity and the current leaders of the racist White Supremacist/Neo-Nazi/Alt-Right movements are directing their members to do exactly that. They can even look like this.



But this is the real face of White Supremacy, White Nationalism, Neo-Nazism, and the Alt Right in America.



Even President Trump condemns these white supremacist hate groups. We must remember that even if they try to hide their true identity this is exactly what the members of our racist hate groups look like. Just because they put on another costume doesn't change what they really are.

Trump claims that "good Americans" will demonstrate on behalf of issues that these white supremacist hate groups with these white supremacists.

So let's take away the "costume" revealing them for exactly what they are in their traditional and recognizable uniform of hatred.

The poll asks simply if any descent and respectable American would walk along side of members of the KKK in their traditional attire of hatred to show solidarity with any cause being promoted by the KKK or their surrogates.

 

I voted yes only because American ideology promotes "freedom" of thought, speech and expression. By U.S. Constitutionalist standards, a decent American could show support for a hate group to preserve their right to express their views.
For myself personally, I would rather see these race-obsessed schizophrenics placed in front of a firing squad.

 

Freedom of thought is one thing hurting others unnecessarily is another

Let us put this on a different level

If these were paedophiles how many would support them?

 

But that's not what happened.

Here is the REAL question:

If a few BLMers chanting for murdering police joined the thousands antifa counter protesters, would this then require all the antifa protesters to go home?

 

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Are you saying there are no good people in the Democrat party? I really don't believe that. I'm sure there has to be one or 2.


Oh wait, you are dumb enough to think only white people can be racist or bigoted.

 

What? You aren't claiming President Trump is a KKK supporter? That could get you kicked out of the Democratic Party and decried as a white supremacist racist Nazi.

 

If you were at a mall and learned there were paedophiles there, would you leave or stay - with staying absolutely proving that you support paedophiles?

That is the absurd polar opposites the OP asks.

 

Wouldn't march with them to promote their ideology.

Would march with them, if they were marching for their right to hold to their ideology.

Can't vote in poll.

 

Nice slander against 2 police officers:

"The wife of a Florida police officer fired for allegedly secretly belonging to the Ku Klux Klan is claiming that she and her husband were ordered to infiltrate the white supremacist group.

The woman's allegations come with a description of the Klan's initiation ceremony that included kneeling with pillow cases over their heads.

The departures from the Fruitland Park Police Department earlier this month of Deputy Chief David Borst and Officer George Hunnewell have revived emotions of Fruitland's past. The department had already dismissed an officer in 2009 for being affiliated with the KKK and the overwhelmingly white former citrus town turned retirement community has had a history of racial violence in the 1940s and 1950s."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/florida-cop-fired-kkk-ties-undercover-wife-claims/story?id=24645425

There are virtually NO KKKers in the USA. I recall a few years ago that at a KKK meeting, EVERYONE except one person there was either FBI or local police on undercover, trying to bait that one person into doing something illegal.

I have NO doubt that 9 out 10 of the very few people carrying Nazi flags and symbols were either undercover law enforcement or people trying to cleverly do a false flag stunt.

 

I despise all mass protests and protesters. They are just mob mentality trouble making and annoying at best. I wouldn't march with anyone. All mob gatherings are bad.

 

You make the point that many a Jewish lawyer or black lawyer has represented those groups or individuals in a courtroom because they were advocating for civil liberties protections. there are folks out there, including me, who believe that these cockroaches have a right to march and to speak, and that America, including its minority communities, is actually stronger for allowing them to march and speak. I can imagine people standing shoulder to shoulder not because they like these ideas, but because they believe in the idea of political outcasts getting their day to stand up and be counted. Its not going to be many of those in attendance, but there may be some.

 

If a patriot of America or any other country can perceive that a subversive group, whether knowingly or unknowingly, and be it left- or right-wing, is bent upon harming his country, then he should side with the opposing group.

 

That's so vague it could mean the KKK, ISIS, or the Democrat party.

A better way to go is that if a group of Americans wish to peacefully march in support of their ideology, no matter what that ideology may be, they should be allowed to.

 

I actually had the Democrat party in mind when I wrote the post. Our own Labour party is just as dangerous.

 

I believe you mistake the support for freedom of speech and expression in court with the support for what is being said and expressed by in person association with the group. Actual participation in a KKK event is significantly different than fighting for their Constitutionally protected right to have the event.

Let it also be noted that much of what the Neo-Nazi/White Supremacy/White Nationalist/Alt-Right movement stands for is NOT protected by the Constitution. The Constitution does not protect a right to promote "terror" or to "overthrow the government" or to "discriminate" or "spread hatred" in United States but that's exactly what these hate groups are planning and doing.

 

We would stand together as Americans to protect the rights but we would not stand beside these groups to support what they advocate. That's the difference. If a person attends a KKK rally of any kind it's not about supporting their Constitutional rights but instead it's about supporting their agenda,

We should always remember that the very foundation for freedom of speech, as argued by the founders, was to ensure that civil political discourse would always be protected. It was not about exploiting that protection to advocate hatred, violence, terrorism, and the destruction of our Constitutional government which is exactly what these Neo-Nazi/White Supremacist hate groups are advocating.

 

So would you stand with the counter protesters that include Antifa that represents much of what you describe that supremacist groups represent?

 

The opposite of Democrat in America would arguably be Republican because these to parties, working together, have managed to consolidate power so that they offer the only two viable political options or choices for Americans. Ironically what we've historically found that it's the lack of compromise between the two parties that harms America more so than anything else.

Although it's delusional to believe that either the Republican Party or the Democratic are subversive to the interests of the United States. Both parties make mistakes that can cause "harm" but neither is subversive and bent upon harming America.

This doesn't apply to this issue of course because it's unrelated to partisanship.

The White Nationalist/White Supremacist/Neo-Nazi is an "Anti-American" and the opposite of Anti-American is American.

 

There is very good reason we are not allowed to scream "Fire" in a crowded theater.

 

Same with Antifa, so would you stand with them protesting?

 

The organized Counter-Demonstration did not include Antifa although Antifa did show up at the demonstration.

So no, I would not stand with Antifa because they engage in violence but every American should be standing with the non-violent counter-demonstrators that organized against the Neo-Nazi/White Supremacist/White Nationalist/Alt-Right demonstrations.

There is an underlying problem and that is in trying to equate Antifa to the Neo-Nazi/White Supremacist/White Nationalist/Alt-Right based solely upon the fact that both are willing to engage in violence. Antifa is reactionary in the use of violence while Neo-Nazi/White Supremacist/White Nationalist/Alt-Right is proactive in the use of violence.

Antifa is a reactionary response to the proactive violence by the Neo-Nazi/White Supremacist/White Nationalist/Alt-Right.

Once again there's the dishonest attempt to try and create "equivalency" between the Neo-Nazi/White Nationalist/White Supremacist/Alt-Right and the counter-demonstrators. The counter-demonstrators are advocates of non-violence protests while Neo-Nazi/White Nationalist/White Supremacist/Alt-Right are not just advocates of violence they're actively engaged in violence and terrorism in the United States. An "exception" does not create a case for equivalency between the two.

We've seen this false equivalency used in other cases by the "political-right" such as in demonstrations by the Black Lives Matter movement that's also a non-violent protest movement. The fact that violent people have shown up at BLM demonstrations does not make BLM a violent movement.

When you attend a "KKK" (used to consolidate all of the White Supremacist Neo-Nazis) rally it's about supporting terrorism and violence because that's what the KKK does. It's not "outsiders" that are responsible for the violence and terrorism by White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis. It's the White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis that are creating the violence and committing the acts of terrorism.

We've witnessed other cases of false equivalency by President Trump when he compared statutes of Robert E Lee and Stonewall Jackson with statues of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. There's a fundamental difference between the two.

George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are American patriots that were key in the creation of the Constitutional government of the United States.
Robert E Lee and Stonewall Jackson participated in a treasonous insurrection against the Constitutional government of the United States.

We honor patriots and should not be honoring traitors.

As a US combat veteran I honor those that have served in the US military and that have paid the ultimate price, the loss of their life, in defending the Constitutional government of the United States. In one three-day battle, the Battle of Gettysburg, Robert E Lee as the commanding general of the Army of Virginia, was responsible for the deaths of over 23,000 American soldiers in combat. 23,000 American soldiers paid the ultimate price by sacrificing their lives to defend the United States from Robert E Lee's treasonous complicity in the Confederate insurrection against the Constitutional government of the United States.

I honor the 23,000 American soldiers that died on the battlefield Gettysburg defending the United States and I will not, nor should any American, honor the (domestic) enemy of the United States that was responsible for killing those American soldiers.

It is a false equivalency to attempt to equate traitors with patriots.

 

I've already said no because Antifa was not the organized opposition in Charlottesville against the White Supremacist/Neo-Nazi hate groups. The organized counter-demonstrators were non-violent civil rights protestors.

Antifa was an uninvited group that showed up.

The Neo-Nazi/White Supremacists were not an uninvited group. The Neo-Nazi/White Supremacists are very violent terrorists as we witnessed in Charlottesville when one of the White Supremacist committed a terrorist act that murdered one non-violent counter-protester and sent 19 others to the hospital. .

False equivalency.

Antifa is not the opposite of Neo-Nazi/White Supremacy.

Neo-Nazi/White Supremacy can be summarized as Intolerance, Hate & Violence.
The opposite of Intolerance, Hate & Violence is Tolerance, Love & Peace (non-violence).

The counter-demonstrators in Charlottesville were the opposite of the Neo-Nazi/White Supremacists and not Antifa that came uninvited to Charlottesville.

 

If you really want to try and argue that the thugs of antifa can in any way compare to the 30 years of murder, drug dealing, cop killing, racketeering and intimidation of the Aryan Brotherhood, I guess I can't stop you. But you really, really need to take a walk through any Max prison in the US to know just how stupid making that argument is.

 

Actually Antifa is proactive, just look at their violent actions against the free speech of conservatives like Milo.