Do Republicans have a plan for unemployment caused by automation? >>MOD WARNING<<

You said you bet I'd be one of those people crying and griping. Now what in my post led you to that conclusion?

And better machines are being built.

 

Well define scarcity. We don't have scarcity of water, food and even of housing. In the case of housing there is an artificial inflation of the market caused by mortgages but that's a separate and deep issue that is systemic and will require a lot of attention.

But you can't tell me that when we have more shelter than people, that shelter should actually cost $300,000 per home or $1,000 per month per rent...etc. These artificial rent-seeking prices are things that are trying to be addressed in the issue of "Guaranteed minimum wage".

The discussion about that is broader than the title, the title is just the "quick dirty fix for now" kind of thing. Economists around the world have known for a while that productivity is destroying the wage-labor market system.

To keep the system as is, and simply keep people from starving after losing their jobs and causing revolutions...the basic easiest answer is to redistribute the "socialist" way, tax and welfare.

But these guys are working on much deeper solutions than that...

The whole economic system of "wealth redistribution" which currently is feudal in nature and relies upon being paid for services or goods exchanged...is being overhauled conceptually and some of the ideas they come up with are quite remarkable.

Just realize this:

Humanity is in uncharted territory. Humans have never been able to produce so much with so little effort in the history of the world. This opens new doors and new possible systems of governance/economies.

 

Well we do know what democrats will do, punish business with higher taxes which will make the switch to automation more attractive.

 

Here's the best machine for picking strawberries.

HAHA made you look like an ass.

In every way you just don't know what you're talking about. Automation is destroying EVERY job, including fruitpickers:

https://www.asme.org/engineering-topics/articles/robotics/smart-robots-for-picking-fruit

[video=youtube;FecZ6Od8rWI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FecZ6Od8rWI[/video]

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What you don't know can fill volumes! Republicans only assume that Democrats don't have actual answers. Just because Democrats have a mature tax policy, a mature business policy, a mature understanding of higher technology, and Republicans do not...does not mean that the Democrat plan is simply to "punish with taxes".

 

Create a larger welfare class of people who live just above the poverty line and vote Democrat because it's only way to keep their "free" income.

 

you understand that a fully automated factory imported from china provides a lot of jobs for the economy right?

 

Soak business. How mature. By mature you must mean the old lady you will vote for.

 

We do have scarcity of drinkable water (not necessarily in the first world currently but as a whole). While food may not be scarce, harvesting more efficiently is currently a problem that has to be solved, of course better machinery is the solution. As for shelter, sure there's probably plenty of housing.

Primarily, how is the guaranteed minimum wage going to be paid for? I don't necessarily disagree with the eventuality of it, but how will it be paid for. As well, how will it be determined state to state, city to city, county to county?

I realize that, which is why I think it's important to discuss what to do and how.

 

Ok, I see where I said that. Im sorry and its not worth debating.

Yep. Probably will keep going till everything is automated. I am sure people had the same fear 20, 40, 80 years ago as well, but here we (most) are, still working.

 

Its funny that you think you made me look like as ass. That machine is far off from being useable. There were 2 berries perfectly positioned in tray. Woopie!!!

 

And here is another discussion where we're supposed to accept the premise that there's a problem and the problem needs to be solved by government.

As a conservative, I fully admit I'm lousy at accepting liberal premises.

So, am I to assume here that the liberal "progressives" think that conservatives should have a plan to use the force of government to inhibit technological progress in some way that causes the employment of "everyone"?

How very un-progressive of them.

 

Accepted.

Agreed. I think higher skill jobs will be safe, that's not my concern. However, there will likely always be a segment of the population whose skills will be automated. What's the solution to that problem? Perhaps "problem" is the wrong word "issue", "eventuality"?

 

If that's the implication, then it's nonsensical.

 

https://tsukesthoughts.wordpress.com/2016/04/29/rise-of-the-robots/

i encourage everyone to read this as it explains why even fully automated facotries generate a lot of jobs.

 

What's nonsensical is the idea that the specialization of a robot and the specialization of a human are equivalent. The endgame of your argument is that humans will eventually become obsolete; unnecessary. Do you believe this to be true?

 

Is it irony that its the progressives that are fighting so hard against technological advancement or just another liberal double standard?

 

We should raise the minimum wage and keep interest rates near zero.

While you can't capitalize labor costs you can capitalize equipment costs. So clearly the answer to automation is even more of our current policies of ZIRP combined with hikes in the minimum wage.

 

I think you are referring to Guaranteed Basic Income, not minimum wage.

That's the most common, and dumbest idea so far that's been put out as a solution. No answers as to where the money comes from or why the entire country wouldn't revert to one big giant ghetto. So far, the outlook for people growing up in areas where few if any people work seem like hellholes, not something we want to emulate nationwide.

 

No, there will always be a demand for high skill/knowledge labor/services. However, for harvesting food, making clothes, making cars, etc. Those will eventually be automated.

 

Progressive heroes earned their fame by fighting the system. Now the pioneers of progressive thought are the system.

The result is regressive progressives to fight them. The want to regress to before the industrial revolution to fight global warming & modern realities of the economy. They want to regress to segregation to fight racism. They want to regress to tyranny to create safe spaces free from free speech, & liberty.

 

Mature means their tax policies are sensible and match the intended effect, unlike Republican tax policies which were a huge tax cut for the rich that saw middle class wages go nowhere while the Rich just got richer.

That's a stupid policy.

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Another false comment. "fight the system" what are you even talking about?

Progressivism began in the early 1900s as a way to conceptualize that government and private entities can work together to achieve large scale projects that were before never even conceived of.

Things like the Apollo program. Good luck getting NASA started in 1870s pre-Progressive era America...when you had 100 different railroads and different gauges all competing in the New England area alone.

 

Trade happens where trade is wanted.

Why are so many people interested in purchasing locally grown goods if those goods are produced less efficiently than automated goods grown centrally? There isn't just value in the thing, there's value in the manner in which the thing is produced. At least, that's what consumers believe.

 

It matters to some, that's not the norm however. The demand is much higher for the cheaper mass produced/harvested produce. To meet that demand requires more efficiency.

 

doubleplusungoodthink will not be tolerated.

It's weird. You ask a question and then you proceed to answer it; all the while thinking you're actually trying to argue with me.

Progressives sought to replace a system of individual liberty with one of centralized government tyranny.

 

It is all the uneducated lazy drones that think they should have $15 an hour to put a pickle on a bun that is forcing automation. In a way they are really dumb sheep that were told they should have more money by liberal politicians. Those politicians were using them and pandering for their votes.