There is ongoing discussion on another thread http://politicalforum.com/index.php...idf-attacked-uss-liberty-deliberately.509567/ and I thought, wouldn't it be to have a poll. I am a supporter of Israel. Understanding that - Yes. I believe the IDF attacked the USS Liberty deliberately, knowing it was an ship. People forget was NOT Israel's ally before the 6 Day War. observed the Arab Boycott. either would not or limited arms sales to Israel, while selling more freely to those who threatened Israel's existence. involved itself in the Suez Crisis and allowed Israeli shipping to be denied the use of the Suez canal. Israel had no reason by experience to believe an spy ship in the war zone was absolutely benign to Israel. It could forward sensitive intercepts to Syria or Egypt, etc. It was only after the 6 Day War that started treating Israel as an ally. So yes, I do believe that the IDF deliberately attacked the USS Liberty. The question remains why the USS Liberty, similar to the USS Pueblo were inadequately defended. Moi The Arabs can lose a war, repeatedly, Israel dare not lose a war once! r > g Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic, regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
Would whoever voted the IDF did not know the Liberty was an American vessel, please chime in. Linking to an upload by y'self on the other thread would be fine. Gracias.
I suppose I should start a poll asking if you believe the Spanish really sunk the Battleship Maine. Ancient history.
Israel has repeatedly betrayed the US, deliberately killed Americans and lured the US into Wars only for Israel's benefit. “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.” AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003 Any "Israel Firster" dismissing Israel's deliberate attack on the USS Liberty and subsequent strafing of Americans in life rafts obfuscates a salient reality as America's most insidious enemy continues to kill Americans with not only impunity but reward. A few more recent examples: "Israeli Snipers are shooting hundreds of American soldiers in Iraq:" http://www.blissful-wisdom.com/isra...ng-hundreds-of-american-soldiers-in-iraq.html “CSI Forensics Proves Who Killed US Marines - Evidence shows Israel is Guilty! http://www.trionfopublishing.com/cache/forensics.htm "ISRAEL WON'T STOP SPYING ON THE US" http://www.newsweek.com/2014/05/16/israel-wont-stop-spying-us-249757.html "Stealing Success Tel Aviv Style" http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2010/01/27/stealing-success-tel-aviv-style/ One can either support & be loyal to the US or support & be loyal to Israel
This one has always been mysterious to me. Did Israel know? Was this a case of the "right hand" not knowing what the "left hand" was doing? I honestly don't know. But, considering how very few friends Israel has always had, why would they have deliberately bombed the most dependable source of support, foreign aid money, and lucrative business arrangements they had?! I mean, essentially, in a world full of countries that hate your guts, or are utterly indifferent to you, why would you attack the one really good friend you have...? It simply makes no sense....
In your thoughtful post you seem to be posing 2 questions: 1. Did Israel know they were attacking a US ship? 2. Why would they attack a US ship? The first question: "Did they know?" is an undeniable "Yes!" because even after positive identification that the USS Liberty was a US ship, they proceeded to massacre US sailors in life rafts the eliminate any witnesses, a war crime as well as a true indicator of Israel's reliability as a US "ally". Your 2nd question: "Why would they attack a US ship?" is for the same reason that the Israelis firebombed a US installation in Egypt in the 1950s under the false flag operation named " The Lavon Affaire". The Israelis first used unmarked fighters to attack the Liberty to deceive the US into believing that the Egyptians were responsible for the attack on the USS Liberty & incite the US to join them in fighting Egypt (see Operation Cyanide) Additionally, the Israelis knew that they could rely on disloyal US politicians and their powerful lobbies in DC to enact the ongoing denial and egregious cover-up of Israel's deliberate massacre of Americans and additional betrayal of the US. For more information, first hand accounts of the attack and the subsequent cover-up please see: "USS Liberty Veterans' Association" https://www.usslibertyveterans.org/
I had not heard until now that the Israelis used unmarked fighter aircraft to attack the U.S.S. Liberty. If so, that changes things considerably! I will need to dig into this. Thank you.
I was mistaken on 1 point and that was that the Israelis strafed Americans in lowered life rafts. The fact is that the Israelis strafed the life rafts before the Americans could enter them. At any rate, IDF intended to leave no survivors to testify to this egregious betrayal just as Israel continues to kill Americans even today in Iraq: "Israeli Snipers are shooting hundreds of American soldiers in Iraq:" http://www.blissful-wisdom.com/isra...ng-hundreds-of-american-soldiers-in-iraq.html
Good points! I haven't even voted in the poll yet....... I haven't researched this topic enough yet to even form an opinion but........ I do know of a soon coming potential international incident between Israel and America that could easily be avoided......... It begins at the 30 minute mark in this video; https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/...phecy-video-jewish-world/#sppL4MKgM4JQ7ibp.99 Israeli Teen Returns from 15 Minutes of Clinical Death with Spiritual Messages Concerning the Coming Redemption (I have attempted to set up this video to begin at thirty minutes).....
At this point, there is no doubt that the Israeli attack on our USS Liberty was deliberate because there was no other ship anywhere that even slightly resembled the clearly marked USS Liberty. Your question seems to be "why". The reason the Israelis attacked the USS Liberty, initially using unmarked planes was to get the Americans to think that the Egyptians carried out the attack then hope that the US would attack Egypt (see Operation Cyanide) (1) thus bringing us closer to a WW 3 than many people realize. The Israelis carried out a similar False Flag Op. with the same motive, earlier, when they attacked an American installation in Egypt dressed as Egyptians in the 1950s (the Lavon Affair). For other frequently asked questions Re; the Liberty, please see (2) below. If the plan was not for the Israelis to kill all Americans on board, why would they strafe lower life rafts(3) long after the ship had been identified as American? I also don't think that this sort of operation could have been carried out without the influence of Zionist operatives in the US Government who continue to obstruct a genuine investigation and carried out the cover-up. (1) "USS Liberty: Operation Cyanide: Russians to the rescue" https://sites.google.com/site/onedemocraticstatesite/archives/uss-liberty-operation-cyanide EXCERPT "The top-secret plan was known as Operation Cyanide and was intended to result in the sinking of the Liberty with all hands, to be blamed on Egypt and exploited to permit the bombing of Cairo and the entry of the United States into the war on Israel’s side. The Soviet Union’s relationships with Arab countries would have been damaged and perhaps cut, with America and Israel seizing control of all Mid-East oil production. Israel’s borders would have expanded from the Nile to the Euphrates Rivers. "CONTINUED (2) "Commonly Asked Questions about the USS Liberty" Prepared by the Independent Commission of Inquiry http://ifamericaknew.org/us_ints/ul-qa.html EXCERPT "After the attack was thought to have ended, three life rafts were lowered into the water to rescue the most seriously wounded. The Israeli torpedo boats returned and machine-gunned these life rafts at close range."CONTINUED (3) "War Crimes Committed Against U.S. Military Personnel, June 8, 1967" Submitted to the Secretary of the Army in his capacity as Executive Agent for the Secretary of Defense, June 8, 2005. http://www.ussliberty.org/report/report.htm Israel acknowledged the following facts without qualification: a. USS Liberty was an American ship, hence a neutral vis-à-vis the June 1967 war between Israel and its Arab neighbors.[8]b. USS Liberty remained in international waters at all times on June 8, 1967[9] .c. The attacking Israeli forces never made a positive identification of the nationality of USS Liberty before unleashing deadly force in their attack on the ship.[10] Survivors also report that the torpedo boat crews fired on the inflated life boats launched by the crew after the captain gave the order "prepare to abandon ship."[24] This order had to be rescinded because the crew was unable to stand on the main deck without being fired upon and the life rafts were destroyed as they were launched.[25
