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Does a major fallen angel return to G-d and divide the kingdom of Satan and...

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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes....... but from my own point of view it would be easier for me to link this with the tradition that artifacts from the Jerusalem Second Temple may have been hidden on Oak Island, (Nova Scotia, Canada)?!

    Apparently there is a professor at St. Francis Xavier who can elaborate brilliantly on this. He was asked to do some of the background commentary on the film "First Knight" starring Sean Connery, Richard Gere and Julia Ormond.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Knight

    Personally I lean heavily toward a real rebellion in the past by an astonishingly powerful Covering Cherub..... who may have gotten jealous at the creation of Adam and Eve...… .not necessarily as late as when they were given bodies in four dimensional space - time but perhaps millennia or even millions of years previous to this???????!

    One aspect of this is that in a sense "Lucifer/ Iblis/ Satan" as well as The fallen Watchers with Azazel..... may in one sense both have actually rebelled....... as well as also done the will of YHWH...… who probably knew that sooner or later jealous and ego would probably enter the picture........ so dealing with this problem earlier has some advantages over delaying the inevitable??????!
     
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    This is interesting.......
    http://j-lorber.de/kee/3/c-fall.htm

    The Fall of Some of the Spirits under the Leadership of Lucifer
     
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    Azazel is associated with the scapegoat rite.. supposedly an offspring of Lilith. What is the point of discussing these myths?
     
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    If we humans........... are very close to the invention of artificial intelligences that could get into some conflicts with us, their makers, then all of a sudden ancient myths take on a different possible meaning than scientists could have imagined even a century ago.

    Richard Dawkins Ph. D. is open to the possibility that intelligent, and even technologically advanced alien civilizations may have developed millions of years before we did, so, it is difficult to dogmatically state that ancient myths, have no basis whatsoever in reality.

    A possible positive outcome to events in The Book of Enoch, would be relevant to a high number of UFO enthusiasts as well as to many people who are interested in theology.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...elligent-androids-how-could-we-test-them.html
    If we invent super intelligent androids... how could we test them?
    Might we perhaps invent some sort of virtual reality holographic environment where the attitude and character of an android can be tested to see if they will behave in a manner that is altruistic and humble?

    The analogy to Adam, Eve, Lucifer and his angels should be obvious!

    Is our creator going to scale back human freedom of choice somewhat over the coming centuries in order to produce a genuinely peaceful and utopian world?

    .........
     
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    Ancient Bedouins often sacrificed to Azazel..
     
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    Interesting!

    I suspect that if and when Azazel returns to the G-d of Abraham with his whole heart......... he will not be impressed by any type of sacrifice that violates the laws of Moses?!
     
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    Yes............ we have a responsibility to turn this earth into a paradise by making better choices.

    It is surprising how much of a positive effect can be had even if we make better choices in music and entertainment.
     
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    Here is another possible angle on the Lucifer identity that might help us to look at pre-history in a more positive manner.

    Azazel was a "son of G-d" and would look humananoid ...... but Lucifer was different.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=407875&page=35&p=1065850338#post1065850338

    Seriously….. What would it take for a GOD to prove itself? (Part 2)
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    It is interesting that Lucifer is termed a "Covering Cherub."

    Ezekiel 28:16
    "By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire."

    Psalms 18:10
    "And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind."

    This verse from the Psalms makes me wonder if the cherub he rides on.... could look much like the proverbial Pegasus?

    Revelation 19:11
    "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war."

    Revelation 6:2
    "And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."

    Jeremiah 8:6
    "I hearkened and heard, but they spake not aright: no man repented him of his wickedness, saying, What have I done? every one turned to his course, as the horse rusheth into the battle."

    IF.... the original form of the Covering Cherub Lucifer was similar to Pegasus........... then Lucifer getting jealous over YHWH having a son..... and a daughter.... ADam and Eve.......(and before that time a number of Elohim children who made Adam and Eve in their image)...... would help to make some sense out of this as well.

    The story about Lucifer/ Iblis being asked to bow to Adam.... is not only in the Koran but is in Jewish apocryphal literature as well........ Jealousy is a pretty natural emotion and it is not so difficult to imagine it turning paradise into a war zone!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil_(Islam)
     
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    Tecoyah.... the following statement somewhat relates to those other discussions where we are getting into some of the possible implications of Artificial Intelligence to an afterlife for humans. Are we humans at least something like an A. I. to a greater inventor than we ourselves are???????


     
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    The human brain would likely be considered an "Artificial Intelligence" to a non-biological entity. IF humans were created by computers we would be the A.I. we refer to computers as...and IF unicorns ate Mermaids they would probably be considered monsters with scary horns by mermaids.
     
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    Truly well said.

    Our point of view is critical........... I am kind of hoping that Lucifer, Lilith, Azazel and the other fallen angels go into a mentality of Stanley Milgram Ph. D. and ................ sincerely begin to root for us...… the "teacher" subjects...… to learn to not zap the "learner" subjects to death..... or close to it?!?!
     
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    For the Satanists in this group....would you rather have the Devil's love? Or his/ her RESPECT?
    I could be wrong.... I often am... but I suspect that Lucifer - Lilith - Azazel and the gang..... the highest consciousness level fallen angels of all.... they may well be playing out a role similar to Stanley Milgram Ph. D?????
    If so.... then John Ramirez has the RESPECT of Satan - Lucifer - Lilith - Queen Jezebel _ Azazel and the gang..... which has certain advantages over being part of his group... and his family!

    (For those of you who pray.....
    I will appreciate your prayers for my wife and family for our protection.....
    because I posted that to a large group that has lots of gifted people..... who know how to do spells)!

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/108413109365671/
    EWAO
    (EArth We Are One)....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I11L71PD3Lw
    Ex Satan Worshipper John Ramirez Testimony
     
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    You seem to be a very nice person.
    I do think you need recognize that,... what the ancients called, "spirits,"... was what we call the Subconscious mind.
     
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    Yes........ but the question remains of whether or not
    a part of our subconsciousness could be given individuality and live on in a higher dimension?
     
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    Yes,... the religious community wonders about this,...because they believe "spirit-like entities" often permeate certain environments.

    This idea finds sociological explanations as "Group Mentalities,"... like in the Wolf Pack mentalities.
    There are four Social Groups.

    The Religious people form the "Crowd Group."
     
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    Yes.... I sure have seen this to be the case over the years!
     
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    This idea is very important,... because the muslims see sexual behavior in America making out nation The Big Satan.
     
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    Accusations sure do come back to haunt us........
     
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    This is perhaps a huge part of The Restoration of All Things.......
    that is mentioned in the Christian scriptures......
     
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    By that do you mean that G-d is not capable of inventing something along the line of "Individuality?"

    Is G-d not yet sufficiently technologically advanced to give some of H-s created beings..... a separate identity....... at least on some level so that they could learn from the experience?
     
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    In 2017, Yom Kippur will begin on the evening of September 29 and go to sunset September 30.......
     
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