Does the government have the right to tell you what you are allowed to own?

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  1. gorte

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    gov'ts dont have natural rights. only individual humans have natural rights, In many countries, the people have GIVEN (to govt) enforcement power, as well as the power to legislate, what is legal and what is not. However, the govt itself has no rights, they just have "might" that is invested in them by the people. At any given time, the people can withdraw their support from that govt and then the govt has nothing but naked force, and then not for long, cause govt is utterly dependent upon cooperation (ie, tax payiing and not saboatage/assassination) from the governed.
     
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    And FDR was a tyrant who should have been thrown in prison in stead of reelected 3 times.
     
  3. Anders Hoveland

    Anders Hoveland Banned

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    Another downside to criminal possession laws is that it is very easy to frame people by planting evidence.
    Or people can be arrested if someone else hides their illegal possessions on that person's property.
     
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    First off, how can the government come into your house, it has no locomotive power of it's own. Government is but a concept the is establish and ordained by many methods with or without violence. Here in the US, government is but a trust established and ordained by the states for the benefit of the people, specifically a group of rich white men to insure their prosperity. I agree with Marc Stevens, what proof do they have that even applies to me, none.

    However, to what you infer is the group of psychopaths that mistakenly believe they are gods and masters and must control all the slaves. Sadly, approximately 80% of the masses agree and cringe in fear when faced with a government "agent".

    Therefore the answer to the question is where do you stand? Are you a statist that believes in "authority"? Then the answer would be absolutely, they may dictate all aspects of your existence. If you are a free sovereign soul, then no they have no authority to do anything unless an act of malum in se has been committed, there needs to be an injured party and you can't injure a fiction.

    Potential danger, that only applies to those statist that must have protection, a protection that can never be provided, impossible. Citizens need to be protected. You call it prisoners, it is actually slavery.
     
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    It's not just taxes but applies across the board. Taxes just happen to be at the top of the list about fear of the "government". Most people cringe and shake in fear when accosted by the IRS. Personally, I like giving them the bird.
     
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    Yep, that would be the answer for those of the "BAR", otherwise no business, eh. But for reality sake, the government has no rights, only privileges endowed by the consent of the governed.
     
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    Ridiculous. It is that registration of that trust deed that insures you may own your house but not the land that it sits upon.

    And just where did this little jewel come from, quo warranto?

    Only the little citizens are subject to this rule.

    Reality is that with society, the individual is nothing. Perhaps the reason I belong to no society.
     
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    Who is this society guy, and what gives him the right to use force against one who hasn't trespassed against the person or property of anyone?
     
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    Imnotreallyhere Well-Known Member Donor

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    You don't own your children. You either have custody or not. Having custody makes you a custodian. That would be a caretaking position, not an ownership position.
     
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    "Does the government have the right to tell you what you are allowed to own?"

    some things, for example, I do not want my neighbor to own a nuke.... or create a device that misses with my airwaves....

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    once you have done your time, I would say you have the same rights as anyone else

    I do not think the gov has the right to tell anyone that can not protect their homes and families or that they can not live with someone that wants to protect their homes or family

    in fact I think owning a gun is a Constitutional right for all free Americans... not a privilege

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  12. Anders Hoveland

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    Ok, maybe is it fair to say that a nuclear weapon is the only exception? That individuals should be allowed to own everything else?

    Also, being allowed to own something is different from being allowed to store something in a residential neighborhood. I don't think anyone is arguing that individuals have a right to store large tanks of highly poisonous chemical gas in a high density residential neighborhood.

    What's wrong with creating a device? They might be an electronics/radio hobbyist. As long as they do not misuse it, causing trouble for everyone else.
     
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    I agree, some things like harmless plants are ridiculous, just was saying we also have the other extreme, so there are something

    your right, I could care less if they make it, just as long as they never use it, when they cross that line, that is when there would be issues
     

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