Donald Trump Admirer To Spend 90 Days In Jail Over Plot To Bomb Muslims

These latest attacks in Brussels have everybody on edge, and for good reason. There is no denying that the people that committed these atrocities need to be caught, pumped for information, and then quickly disposed of, preferably as painfully as possible.

Well wishes & prayers are nice but they're no match for solid Intel backed up with real results that will lead to the capture of more of these rats that are held up & hiding out.

I don't know (as many of you) what the answers are regarding what 's the best way to flush them out, cut off their supplies & resources, and bring a halt to all of these terrorist's activities once & for all but I am hopeful just the same.

I realize people are angry & everybody definitely has the right to be angry, but we Americans are in a rough spot (as I see things). I always talk about choices and how difficult these choices are.

Tonight I found a story about something that's a bit disturbing on a different subject, and I don't think it helps any of us. I'm sharing it because it's something that's becoming more & more of a trend lately, and I really think it's counterproductive to the work that's being done to route out terrorist's.

I will present the story without sharing what my position is, and I leave it to all of you to draw your own conclusions.

How does it tie into everything I've just written, I leave that to all of you to think about.

Donald Trump Admirer To Spend 90 Days In Jail Over Plot To Bomb Muslims
William Celli said in a Facebook post that he would follow Trump to “the end of the world.”

A California man charged with possessing an explosive device and threatening to kill Muslims will spend 90 days in jail and serve three years probation after accepting a plea deal.

KRON reports 55-year-old William Celli, an admirer of Republican front-runner Donald Trump, pleaded guilty last week to a charge that he attempted to violate the free exercise of civil rights. In exchange for his guilty plea, the Contra Costa County District Attorney’s Office has dropped a charge of making criminal threats as a hate crime.



Celli was arrested on Dec. 20, 2015, days after he yelled “I’m going to kill you all!” outside the Islamic Society of West Contra Costa County. After police got a tip that Celli was building homemade explosives with the intent of targeting local Muslims, they executed a search warrant at Celli’s home.

There, they found a suspicious device and detonated it.

Celli, a self-employed plumber, made a series of xenophobic, Islamophobic and pro-Trump Facebook posts in the months leading up to his arrest.

In an Oct. 21, 2015 post, Celli wrote that Trump was a “great point man” who he would “follow to the end of the world.”

In a post on Oct. 25, 2015, Celli seemed to express outrage over a supposed influx of Muslim immigrants, writing, “Kiss your Christian asses goodbye.”

In another post, he lamented that he “lost 30% of my business to Hispanics coming to my country under false pretenses ... and freeload in construction or in the blue collar sector they need to go back home lets not talk about the welfare they suck dry.”

As part of his plea deal last week, The Richmond Standard reported, Celli is not allowed to have an active Facebook page.

“At a time when attacks on mosques and Muslim individuals are at an all-time high, this will send a message that such actions will have consequences.”

—Zahra Billoo, executive director at the San Francisco-Bay Area chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations

Celli’s arrest in December came amid a frightening surge in anti-Muslim hate crimes and rhetoric after terror attacks in Paris and San Bernardino. In the month leading up to his arrest, the number of hate crimes against Muslims in the United states tripled.

And on Dec. 8, just two weeks before Celli’s arrest, Donald Trump called for a ban on all Muslims entering the United States.

Read the rest here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...hreat-muslim-jail_us_56f590b5e4b0a3721819ef42


This is the insanity that starts a downward spiral that none of us need or can afford..............

 

For starters.............. America might want to not vote politically left!

Hey wait...... you Americans are doing that! Way to go...... and good timing!


http://www.politicalforum.com/latest-us-world-news/445670-americas-political-left-war-cia-nsa.html

Is America's political left at war with the CIA - NSA?
Does the Democratic Party make it extremely difficult for America most well trained operatives to do what they need to do to protect Americans from terrorists?

How might that change during a Donald Trump administration?

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/the-35-year-war-on-the-cia/

The 35-Year War on the CIA
The campaign to discredit the agency continues to be a leftist obsession.

ARTHUR HERMAN / DEC. 1, 2009

 

I must say, even if I do support capital punishment in the case of mass murder and serial killing, I don't think you can ever be justified in wanting someone to die slowly and painfully. That isn't how any sort of punishment should work, particularly when, most of the time, genetics is more at fault than the individual (since they're undoubtably mentally ill, or in some cases drugged). An eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind, you know.

With regards to the recent surge in hate crimes, I really can't understand how people can support a man that, whether or not he condones it, at very least triggered and continues to trigger it. This sort of thing just isn't right, and it isn't what the USA is supposed to be about.

As far as Dennis goes: This shouldn't be about political party, and that is so wildly off topic I'm not certain how to respond. This is about an American being religiously motivated in bombing Muslims, not a Muslim being religiously motivated in bombing Americans.

 

If only we could find a common link among all these terrorist attacks. I guess it will be forever a mystery.

 

As long as Western governments can't (or won't) protect us from radical Islamic psychopaths, there will be isolated nut jobs in the West who will take matters into their own hands.

 

Of course reports of "Attacks on Muslims" have increased in the US, with the racist, terror-connected CAIR Muslim "advocacy" organization encouraging any Muslim that is looked at crosseyed to sue. It's manipulative bs which pales in comparison to the jihadist atrocities being committed worldwide on a regular basis and tacitly supported by a significant minority of Muslims. thanks to Mohammed's war manual enmeshed with his so-called "religious" teachings.

The short term goal, of course, is to silence any opposition to massive planned Muslim immigration by making any expressed opposition to that "hate speech" considered illegal, a tactic that apparently has worked for them in parts of Europe. This thread can be seen as a contribution to that goal.

 

muslims should know that they will be percieved negatively as long as they have the same religion as the terrorists. Weve tried the carrot were the past two presidents have said that muslims were not at fault and it achieved nothing. Now its time to try the stick. Hopefully the muslims will convert to something else or put pressure on various muslim groups to put pressure on middle eastern countries to go after the terrorists.

Yes I am aware that extremists occur in every religion. But the frequency it does in islam as well as their propensity to kill themselves makes me view the religion as a whole in a negative light.

 

I am fairly sure the suicide bombers won't be caught, at least without the help of a spatula or broom and dustpan.

 

Terrorism is all in the mind, or at least its effects are. Terrorism, as its name implies, is a form of psychological warfare. As psychological warfare, terrorism is less about the action of terror itself, and more about the reactions that it garners from governments and their people. These attacks cannot ever be 100% defensively ensured against. They are attacks based on a highly aggressive ideology, and we all know that ideas are impossible to kill. What you can do, however, is suppress and minimise an idea until it becomes next to insignificant. The constant dilemma in stopping terrorism is the power of the government in stepping into the lives of possible extremists. Often, agencies will resort to thought policing and attempt to do whatever they can to criminalise (and in the process, dehumanise) those who happens to have views that are radically different from that of the current government.

 

Dying is too easy for them!

Life in Solitary Confinement!!

Believe me it's way worse!

AA

 

We warned the European's.

They didn't listen.

For some reason the ONLY way to get European Governments to GET OFF THEIR ASSES AND DO SOMETHING is to just wait till something horrible happens.

It's like they have not learned from their own history.

Example.....After WWI the United States CONTINUALLY OVER AND OVER AGAIN....sent envoys to the victorious WWI European Governments and told them bluntly that if they did not ease up on World War I Reparations they were exacting out of Germany to pay for the damage done by Germany in WWI....that it would result in a rise of a New German Nationalistic Leader and plunge us all into WWII.

German's were starving in the streets of Berlin and starvation, hopelessness, joblessness was creating the perfect petri dish for the growth of what would be Hitler and the Nazi Party.

The United States told EVERYONE this would happen but did the European's listen?

No...in fact they admonished us as being too young a nation to understand such things.

Well....they are at it again.

AA

 

It is very understandable.

Non-Islamists are angry at the injustice that is going on in their own home.
They are also angry they cannot express themselves without being called Islamophobic by the white liberals.

Islamists cannot see reason. I hope we all understand this.
This was going on for centuries anyway.

We need to get the key Islamic provocateurs, people who pay them as well as the key white liberal allies they have in Europe.
And everything would pull back to normal.

 

Laughing ... doesn't sound very "centrist" to me.

I can almost guarantee you that "these people" are not going to give up information unless you make them afraid. But, God forbid that we do that! Nowadays, we would prosecute anyone in our military or police who scared them or laid a finger on them. They can shred innocent men, women, and children with their bombs in a country that is no threat to them - apparently just for bloodlust - but if we capture any of them, we had better be kind and gentle and safeguard their rights. And if they have information about other mass murder plots against defenseless civilians, we need to respect their rights to humane treatment and legal representation. And if they wish to keep the information to themselves, when that next attack comes, we can be comforted by the fact that at least we treated the demented terrorist kindly who withheld the information. Better to do that and just let the attacks happen than to do anything that .... *shiver* .... isn't nice.

Right?

It's just my nature, but I'm growing a little tired of the image of Belgians being cowed by this. Time to stand up and be men. SC, it's just like cancer. You excise it, or you kill it, or you die. This would be my message to France, Belgium, and all the rest of Europe.

As I have written many times, I am not a fan of foreign wars and interventions. But ISIS in Syria and Iraq has to be destroyed. In the U.S., the Congress has to act and declare war. The country needs to be unified. There needs to be an end game that we all agree on, and it has to make sense. Then we need to utterly wipe them out. We may need to do that elsewhere as well - Libya comes to mind - and we need to not forsake Afghanistan.

Meanwhile, on the domestic front, we need to not be afraid to enforce our own laws regarding the crime of Treason. Any support of violent jihad by anyone in our country ought to result in imprisonment. It should be unlawful to support our declared enemy in any way - by word or deed. Tim Cook, the CEO of Apple, should comply with the orders of a valid federal search warrant or be jailed for contempt.

And yes, there should be a very strict vetting process for immigrants coming from that area of the world. Very strict.

No, we don't want or need lone individuals going rogue. What we need is a united country and government that is ready to stand up.

 

Waterboard them?

 

Water Boarding if properly done never results in death.

Those of us who have been apart of Psyop's not only have been trained in how to do it but have been waterboarded ourselves to a greater extent than any terrorist ever has.

The thing with water boarding which is the process of placing a person on a tilt table of board with the head on the lower tilted end of the board and placing a wet cloth over their entire face and pouring water on that cloth for a very specific amount of time.....well....if you do not panic you can still breath.

But the purpose of water boarding is to place that person into a state of panic as they struggle and gasp which causes them to take in water into their lungs as it simulates dying.

But if a person does not panic...you can breath.....not much....but you can.

It's use resulted in a treasure trove of Intel.

AA

 

I understand all your points, and I'm of the mind that torturing people for information isn't really that affective, so when I mentioned "pumping them" for information I didn't necessarily mean that we should water board them because we're not going to get good Intel that way, but I also know that serving them coffee & donuts won't necessarily work either.

As far as everything else, it seems to me like we're pretty much on the same page......

I want all the bad guys round up, caught, and for all the mass killing to stop, and no we don't need any roué vigilantes feeling the need to go kill or hurt Muslims who haven't done anything to anybody at random.

The bigger question here is......why did this vigilante feel the need or get the inspiration in the first place to do the things he threatened to do, and whom is responsible for stirring up those emotions?

I know what the answers to those questions are for me Seth.

 

I obviously have no experience here so I know my words are measured, but I would imagine that any form of torture would make people say anything to be released, and there have been plenty of psychological studies done on this that pretty much backs that up.

Check it out:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/the-lay-scientist/2010/nov/04/2

 

There is a huge difference between physical pain and panic.

Physical pain in the extreme is useless.

Panic however is very useful.

AA

 

It is important to know when torture is to be applied.

If, for example, you are just fishing for information hoping to find something, torture might not be effective.
He might say anything you want to hear.

However, if you capture a well known character in charge of much information, if you torture, information should flow.

Torture is applied effectively when you ask for information you know that person has.
You capture a general and you know what he should know and you ask accordingly.
So the person has a choice, to confess and avoid torture or not to say anything and take the torture.

Torture is not that effective when people fish for information.
It is effective when they are asked right questions.

 

I leave it to the experts, and you definitely sound like you have a firm grasp on the science behind this.

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Understood..............

 

^^^^ This

 

You actually hit the nail on the head here Lil Mike...........

The reason why nobody can find a common thread or link is because these people are absolutely insane, you can never understand the inner workings of a madman, and there is no limit to their depravity.

I keep calling them people but they stopped being people a long time ago, and they have absolutely no redeeming qualities what-so-ever.

Some true stories to share with you that you won't find or see anywhere else because I've been in contact with a Syrian family from Al Suwayda Syria since the beginning of the war.

1. Ten year old boy was selling coffee in front of his home in Raqqah to make money so his mother & sister could eat. A bunch of ISIS soldiers come through, and tells the boy to serve them. He does, and when he asked them for the money for the coffee they shot him in the head. (in front of his mother)

2. A team of ISIS soldiers comes through Aleppo going from house to house snatching girls to be sold into their sex slave markets that they developed to supply their soldiers with women, and to make money. They come to a house where a 7 year old boy answers the door & politely tells the soldiers that nobody is home, and that his father is at work. His mother & sisters are hiding in a crawl space, and to their horror they hear a gun go off, and the body of the 7 year old hit the floor....................but they can't scream.

3. ISIS snipers (for fun) position themselves on rooftops as "children" are walking to school, and they pick them off along with their older siblings that were trying to get them to school safely.

4. ISIS soldiers would routinely go from town to town setting up torture houses where they would literally hack off body parts piece by piece & peel the skin off of wife's & daughters in front of their husbands, brothers, cousins, uncles, while telling them that if they don't join them................their little girls would be next.

It just gets worse & worse, and I've lost so much sleep over these stories that I've lost track.

Whole families have been lost at sea via drowning trying to get out of Syria including dozens if not hundreds of babies on rubber boats not fit for dogs to be in, all in attempts to escape these horrors I'm talking about.

People in here like to beat me up because of my positions regarding Muslims while they all try to convince me that all Muslims are worthless scum that deserve to die, but nobody in here knows what I've seen, witnessed or experienced in real time, for myself over the course of my life which drives me to constantly push back, and defend 1.7 billion Muslims that hate these f*ckers more than any of us ever could.

1.7 billion Muslims that have no hand in this, do not support this, publicly push back against this, fight & die to stop this, and would never commit these atrocities.

That's the insult to injury here Lil Mike (the salt poured into the wound) that all of these people are constantly being vilified & slammed for things that these animals are doing - while "they're" the ones taking the most heat from these animals.

Irony, brother I've got Irony for you in spades...............

 

But at least the coffee and donuts approach would leave us feeling really good about ourselves. *smiles and rolls eyes*

As far as everything else, it seems to me like we're pretty much on the same page......

I want all the bad guys round up, caught, and for all the mass killing to stop, and no we don't need any roué vigilantes feeling the need to go kill or hurt Muslims who haven't done anything to anybody at random.

The bigger question here is......why did this vigilante feel the need or get the inspiration in the first place to do the things he threatened to do, and whom is responsible for stirring up those emotions?

I know what the answers to those questions are for me Seth.[/QUOTE]

I know what you're thinking, and I don't agree. We have always had people in our society who are sort of living on the fringe, holding extreme views and given to violence. Charles Whitman, Charlie Manson, Timothy McVeigh, Ted Kasczyski, Dylan Roof, and this latest guy. I do not believe political candidates can turn normal people into killer zombies. All of these people are unhinged, SC. The inspiration for this latest guy is provided by the jihadists themselves.

 

I can actually verify those horrific stories. You see, my son fought on the ground in Iraq. Bear in mind that ISIS is an outgrowth of AQI. They're the same people. And they found one of those AQI torture houses one time. What they found inside was .... there are no words. "Horrific" "depraved" "inhuman" just can't do it justice. A horrible memory for my son, and I know he tries to shut it out. I'm pretty hard boiled, but even I am just sickened by what he described, and I won't even write it. I will just say that this enemy deserves no quarter, no mercy.

May our bombs fall straight. May our bullets fly true.

Every time we kill one .... or another thousand ... the world is a slightly better place, and it makes me proud to be a citizen of a country that uses its military power to fight this utter evil from the depths of hell.

 

Trump's weakness is in his passivity. He never spoke strongly against it, or denounced it strongly as a Hillary would, as a traditional politician would. He's never went as far as endorsing it, but in remaining silent, that's the same as an endorsement in of itself. But violence is never a craft for an ideology, it's a pitiful substitution for one. Such as the radical extremists that we're confronted with today.

And to be sure, for those who are peaceably professing their faith, any faith they shouldn't be persecuted. This is the country that was founded on freeing ourselves from religious persecution. In this muddled war however, with no clear definition of the enemy it has become a tragedy. As such, it's up to the Islamists to decide the future of their religion. It's up to them to make their mosques as holy of a place, as a church is to a Christian or to a Jew. It's up to them to denounce violent plots, to report them when they become aware of them.

If the Islamist is able to successfully thwart such threats and make public examples of these people as "muslims to be shamed", it will finally isolate these terrorists in the global community but even more importantly within the community of the ME. They will finally be exorcised and be just petty criminals, to be dealt with by our military and law enforcement.

But that's all up to the Islamist, to the Muslims. If they want peace, they have to contribute to peace and love in America and around the world. They must let their actions speak for them, and show there's more love than bombs in the Islamic world.