Donald Trump and the House Jan. 6 Committee

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    Still another part of Donald Trump's legacy.

    In May 2018, the Times reported, "President Trump declared on Tuesday that he was withdrawing from the Iran nuclear deal, unraveling the signature foreign policy achievement of his predecessor Barack Obama, isolating the United States from its Western allies and sowing uncertainty before a risky nuclear negotiation with North Korea.

    "The decision, while long anticipated and widely telegraphed, leaves the 2015 agreement reached by seven countries after more than two years of grueling negotiations in tatters. The United States will now reimpose the stringent sanctions it imposed on Iran before the deal and is considering new penalties."

    Foreign Policy reported in May 2020, "Two years after President Donald Trump announced the U.S withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal, Tehran has resumed its enrichment of uranium, restarted research and development on advanced centrifuges, and expanded its stockpile of nuclear fuel, cutting in half the time it would need to produce enough weapons-grade fuel to build a nuclear bomb.

    "While there is no evidence Tehran is preparing a dash for a nuclear weapon, the Iranian advances raise questions about the success of the White House’s so-called “maximum pressure” campaign, which is aimed at forcing Iran through the imposition of ever more stringent sanctions to accept greater constraints on its political and military support for regional militias and the development of its ballistic missile program.

    "The effort has yet to temper Iran’s nuclear ambitions, instead prompting Tehran to resume nuclear activities prohibited by the nuclear pact, which is formally known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, or JCPOA. It has also eroded Washington’s credibility even among many of its traditional allies and placed increasing strains on America’s diplomatic partnerships."

    Without going into more detail about this debilitating stupidity, that brings us to today.

    ABC reported today, "Talks to revive Tehran's tattered nuclear accord with world powers in Vienna ended Monday as the parties closed the final text and key negotiators prepared to consult with their capitals, diplomats said.

    "After 16 months of torturous on-and-off indirect negotiations to restore the deal, the European Union's foreign affairs chief Josep Borrell suggested there was no more room for negotiation on the draft now on the table.

    "A final decision on whether the most significant nonproliferation pact in the last quarter century can be restored rests with the Iranian and American governments, he signaled. The 2015 nuclear deal granted Iran sanctions relief in exchange for tight curbs on its atomic program."

    “What can be negotiated has been negotiated, and it’s now in a final text,” Borrell wrote on Twitter. “However, behind every technical issue and every paragraph lies a political decision that needs to be taken in the capitals.”

    Thank you, Mr. Trump.

    Russia and Iran are allies. So, Vladimir Putin, who wanted you as our President in 2016, undoubtedly is thanking you as well, because -- in his eyes -- you did a great job as President.

    Trump is still working to tear our country apart.
     
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    Wow! Double wow! This is quite remarkable. The home of a former President raided by the FBI.

    The Hill
    reports, "The FBI executed a search warrant on former President Trump’s home in Florida on Monday, the ex-president said in a statement lashing out at law enforcement for “political persecution.”

    “My beautiful home Mar A Lago in Palm Beach, Florida is currently under siege, raided and occupied by a large group of FBI agents,” Trump said.

    "The remarkable execution of a search warrant at a former president’s home comes as the Justice Department has accelerated its investigation into the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol and further examined the actions Trump took to overturn the 2020 election results to remain in power.

    "In recent weeks, the Justice Department has been focusing on Trump’s efforts to remain in power through a false elector scheme, transmitting what campaign officials referred to as “fake” election certificates in order to reverse the 2020 election in key states won by President Biden. The department has reportedly convened a federal grand jury to investigate the scheme, in addition to the grand jury investigation into the Jan. 6 attack.

    "It also previously executed search warrants on two lawyers who worked with the former president.

    "The Justice Department seized the phone of John Eastman, who crafted memos for the campaign detailing the false elector strategy as well as a plan for then-Vice President Mike Pence to buck his ceremonial duty to certify the election results. And it also searched the home of Jeffrey Clark, an assistant attorney general Trump weighed installing as attorney general so he could forward an investigation into his baseless claims of election fraud."
     
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    CNN writes, "The search warrant executed on former President Donald Trump’s premises at Mar-a-Lago represents a seismic shift in the overall landscape of the investigations against him. We have long forecast his deepening legal peril, but this puts an exclamation point on his exposure. As a nation, we are now rapidly headed into barely charted waters.

    "While the facts are just beginning to emerge, we know that on Monday morning a group of FBI agents executed a search warrant and conducted an exacting examination of the property, including accessing a safe, according to Trump, and leaving with a quantity of documents, according to a CNN source. Trump reacted with predictable outrage, claiming that his home was “under siege, raided, and occupied” and that “Nothing like this has ever happened to a President of the United States before.”

    "He’s correct on that last point. But we have never seen evidence of this kind of behavior by a president before either. CNN is reporting that the focus of the search warrant is on documents that Trump removed from the White House, including some 15 boxes of materials that have now been recovered. These materials reportedly included classified documents."

    And no President before Trump is alleged to have committed sedition and is under investigation by both Congress and the DOJ.

    Which brings me to Republicans who are desperately sputtering and stammering about the "politicized" FBI search, and threatening Merrick Garland, the head of the DOJ. Some are even foolish enough to suggest they will investigate the DOJ and FBI. Many would love to see that investigation, during which the Jan. 6 committee -- not under the restraints that tie DOJ's hands -- unleashes the mountain of evidence they have against Trump.

    There will be no Republican investigation of the DOJ.
     
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    Let Trump speak for himself...

    https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/108794900307383057


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    CNN writes... wow... more fake news..

    https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/108794988674585741

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    Trump said Mar-a-Lago was "under siege, raided, and occupied by a large group of FBI agents. After working and cooperating with the relevant government agencies, this unannounced raid on my home was not necessary or appropriate."

    Anyone need a handkerchief to staunch the tears? Can you believe it, this guy is playing the victim again. Trump encouraged a savage attack on our capitol, people were killed, our vice-president was threatened, Congressional proceedings were halted, and he wants people to feel sorry for him.

    And, yes, as is his custom, every bit of that statement is a lie.
     
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    Let Trump speak for himself.


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    The Republican Party has captured the minds of those who live in the rural counties of America. The voters are mostly farmers and rural shopkeepers. They lack education and they are not well informed. They avoid responsible news, labeling it "fake news," and they are not fans of reality. All of that is apparent in their postings.

    That said, The Times reports, "Former President Donald J. Trump said on Monday that the F.B.I. had searched his Palm Beach, Fla., home and had broken open a safe — an account signaling a major escalation in the various investigations into the final stages of his presidency.

    "The search, according to multiple people familiar with the investigation, appeared to be focused on material that Mr. Trump had brought with him to Mar-a-Lago, his private club and residence, when he left the White House. Those boxes contained many pages of classified documents, according to a person familiar with their contents.

    "Mr. Trump delayed returning 15 boxes of material requested by officials with the National Archives for many months, only doing so when there became a threat of action to retrieve them. The case was referred to the Justice Department by the archives early this year.

    "The search marked the latest remarkable turn in the long-running investigations into Mr. Trump’s actions before, during and after his presidency.

    "It came as the Justice Department has stepped up its separate inquiry into Mr. Trump’s efforts to remain in office after his defeat at the polls in the 2020 election and as the former president also faces an accelerating criminal inquiry in Georgia and civil actions in New York."
     
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    calls on FBI Director Wray to produce “court filings FBI used for the search warrant of Trump's residence at Mar-a-Lago, the documents the National Archives sent in their criminal referral to the FBI and the documents obtained in the agency's unprecedented raid”

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    As we know lies generate big $$$ from those who lack discernment.
     
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    Others have their say.....

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    CNN writes, "The search warrant executed on former President Donald Trump’s premises at Mar-a-Lago represents a seismic shift in the overall landscape of the investigations against him. We have long forecast his deepening legal peril, but this puts an exclamation point on his exposure. As a nation, we are now rapidly headed into barely charted waters.

    "While the facts are just beginning to emerge, we know that on Monday morning a group of FBI agents executed a search warrant and conducted an exacting examination of the property, including accessing a safe, according to Trump, and leaving with a quantity of documents, according to a CNN source. Trump reacted with predictable outrage, claiming that his home was “under siege, raided, and occupied” and that “Nothing like this has ever happened to a President of the United States before.”

    "He’s correct on that last point. But we have never seen evidence of this kind of behavior by a president before either. CNN is reporting that the focus of the search warrant is on documents that Trump removed from the White House, including some 15 boxes of materials that have now been recovered. These materials reportedly included classified documents."

    And no President before Trump is alleged to have committed sedition and is under investigation by both Congress and the DOJ.

    Which brings me to Republicans who are desperately sputtering and stammering about the "politicized" FBI search, and threatening Merrick Garland, the head of the DOJ. Some are even foolish enough to suggest they will investigate the DOJ and FBI. Many would love to see that investigation, during which the Jan. 6 committee -- not under the restraints that tie DOJ's hands -- unleashes the mountain of evidence they have against Trump.

    There will be no Republican investigation of the DOJ.
     
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    In a strange conundrum never seen before in American politics, as grassroots Republicans cheer Trump on, top Republicans who have spent months trying to dissuade Donald Trump from announcing another Presidential campaign before the midterms have changed their minds.

    They think this is a great time for Donald Trump to announce his candidacy for President -- over two years ahead of time.

    CNN explains, "Trump has received a fresh wave of encouragement to jump start his next presidential campaign in the 24 hours since his primary residence became the target of an FBI search warrant."

    That is just plain nuts, but it is obvious what the Republican Party is trying to do. They want to change a highly provocative negative into a positive. That is silly. It is like a bank robber's lawyer arguing the guy was just making a harmless withdrawal of funds that he needed.

    It gets worse for Republicans.

    This morning, Donald Trump pleaded the Fifth.

    ABC reports, "Donald Trump on Wednesday invoked his Fifth Amendment protection against testifying against himself during an hours-long deposition as part of the New York attorney general's civil investigation into his family real estate business.

    "The former president was seen arriving at the attorney general's office in New York City around 9 a.m. local time and left about six hours later.

    "A source with knowledge of the matter confirmed to ABC News that Trump declined to answer questions from investigators in the deposition.

    "Under the advice of my counsel ... I decline to answer the questions under the rights and privileges afforded to every citizen under the United States Constitution," Trump said.

    The real conundrum is this.

    Why is it that Congressional Republicans and grassroots Republicans want a crook and a traitor for President?

    Yes, true, a person is innocent until proven guilty, but that is only true in a court of law. It is not true in the court of public opinion or the voters' booth.

    The Jan. 6 committee has disclosed an enormous amount of evidence of Trump's guilt, and an innocent man does not plead the Fifth.

    Who said that about the Fifth? Donald Trump, during the 2016 Presidential campaign.
     
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    Just how dumb are Republican leaders today locked in by educationally challenged grassroots Republicans to support a complete fool, the former President?

    Or, still another lesson in the axiom, "be careful what you wish for."

    Following the FBI search of Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago home, leading Republicans rose up in support of the party's leader and demanded the DOJ explain its reasons for the warrant. In view of the disclosures by the Jan. 6 committee before a nationally televised audience, that in itself was not a wise move.

    Even Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, normally an extremely savvy politician, fell victim to the foolish Republican hoopla.

    "The country deserves a thorough and immediate explanation of what led to the events of Monday," McConnell said in a statement. "Attorney General Garland and the Department of Justice should already have provided answers to the American people and must do so immediately."

    Well, Garland called their bluff. He is going to do exactly what McConnell asked, much to the chagrin of leading Republicans like McConnell.

    Trump declared his home was, “under siege, raided, and occupied by a large group of FBI agents. After working and cooperating with the relevant Government agencies, this unannounced raid on my home was not necessary or appropriate,”

    Trump can't help himself. That entire statement is a lie meant for his uninformed followers who believe everything he says while paying him to say it.

    In any case, Garland called Trump's bluff, too.

    Keep something in mind. The FBI search of Trump's home was four days ago. Trump has a copy of the warrant and a receipt for all the items removed from his home. Trump could have made all that public, just what Republicans and McConnell wanted.

    Trump did not want the warrant and the receipt made public!

    Politico reports, "The Justice Department moved on Thursday to unseal portions of the search warrant executed at the Mar-a-Lago estate of former President Donald Trump earlier this week."

    “The public’s clear and powerful interest in understanding what occurred under these circumstances weighs heavily in favor of unsealing,” prosecutors revealed in a court filing connected to the search warrant.

    Just how dumb are today's Republicans?
     
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    The 5th, 440+ times. Mobster Apprentice Don...
     
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    CNN reports, "The FBI search at Mar-a-Lago this week came months after federal investigators served an earlier grand jury subpoena and took away sensitive national security documents from former President Donald Trump’s property during a June meeting.

    "Investigators executed Monday’s search in part because they had developed evidence, including from at least one witness, that there were potentially classified documents still remaining at the Palm Beach, Florida, property months after the National Archives arranged for the retrieval of 15 boxes of documents that included classified information in January of this year."

    The most immediate question is this. Why are we learning this now?

    It is standard procedure for the DOJ to remain silent about an ongoing investigation to protect the parties being investigated.

    Within hours of his home being searched Monday -- Trump was in New York busily involved in an investigation there -- Trump yelled foul and claimed his home was being occupied by the FBI.

    What about the FBI search in June? Why wasn't he yelling Gestapo then?

    The answer is quite simple. He didn't want the public to know anything about the FBI search in June.

    If hadn't opened his big mouth Monday and the days following, we wouldn't know about Monday's search. The DOJ would have kept quiet about it, just as they did in June as per procedure. Trump blabbed Monday evening. The cat was out of the bag, and all hell broke loose.

    Which is why the DOJ keeps investigations under wraps until some decision about the case is made.

    As can be seen above, Republicans now regret Trump's enormous stupidity.
     
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    False. No one was killed by the rioters on Jan. 6th.
     
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    So we just found out that the warrant had nothing to do with January 6th and the only accusation would amount to a misdemeanor.

    You send 30 FBI agents to RAID a home for 10 hours and break into a safe over a misdemeanor issue?

    The backlash is going to be huge....
     
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    It's not the committee's purpose to 'show a coup'. Read the authorization document. No one is scapegoating the Secret Service, (you are grasping at straws) and the committee has been very successful in their work product. I look forward to their report to congress.
    No, of course not.
    Reasonable and fair people will remind us to not jump to conclusions until all the facts are in, but that doesn't equal 'defending deletions'.
    The committee's function is not looking for crime, per se. If there are any revealed in the course of their investigation, it will be up to the Justice Dept to deal with.
    weasel words are not an argument
    I recall considerable chaos, a president dividing America, hate crimes up, riots galore, cops shooting unarmed blacks, KKK taking their hoods off.
    Redstate.com is a questionable source, not worthy of attention.

    'Fake News' is a thought-terminating cliché, and, as such, is a non argument.
     
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    No, a felony. In fact, the irony is that it once was a misdemeanor, but Trump signed into law, after Hillary's fiasco with the server, a new law that extended the sentence from one year to five years, which makes harboring classified documents a felony.

    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...t-trump-made-a-felony.602766/#post-1073653676
     
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    Just how dumb are Republican leaders today locked in by educationally challenged grassroots Republicans to support a complete fool, the former President?

    Or, still another lesson in the axiom, "be careful what you wish for."

    Following the FBI search of Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago home, leading Republicans rose up in support of the party's leader and demanded the DOJ explain its reasons for the warrant. In view of the disclosures by the Jan. 6 committee before a nationally televised audience, that in itself was not a wise move.

    Even Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, normally an extremely savvy politician, fell victim to the foolish Republican hoopla.

    "The country deserves a thorough and immediate explanation of what led to the events of Monday," McConnell said in a statement. "Attorney General Garland and the Department of Justice should already have provided answers to the American people and must do so immediately."

    Well, Garland called their bluff. He is going to do exactly what McConnell asked, much to the chagrin of leading Republicans like McConnell.

    Trump declared his home was, “under siege, raided, and occupied by a large group of FBI agents. After working and cooperating with the relevant Government agencies, this unannounced raid on my home was not necessary or appropriate,”

    Trump can't help himself. That entire statement is a lie meant for his uninformed followers who believe everything he says while paying him to say it.

    In any case, Garland called Trump's bluff, too.

    Keep something in mind. The FBI search of Trump's home was four days ago. Trump has a copy of the warrant and a receipt for all the items removed from his home. Trump could have made all that public, just what Republicans and McConnell wanted.

    Trump did not want the warrant and the receipt made public!

    Politico reports, "The Justice Department moved on Thursday to unseal portions of the search warrant executed at the Mar-a-Lago estate of former President Donald Trump earlier this week."

    “The public’s clear and powerful interest in understanding what occurred under these circumstances weighs heavily in favor of unsealing,” prosecutors revealed in a court filing connected to the search warrant.

    Just how dumb are today's Republicans?
     
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