Donald Trump indicted on 7 counts in classified documents probe

The sole reason that testifying FBI agents, government officials behind the podium, and media pundits cite for justification of withholding the form from public disclosure, or redacting it in its release to Congressional committees has been protection of the life of the source.

Are you telling me Trump and/or Guiliani are playing along too, and are also protecting the source?

 

Here's your "court order".
It's called a

'A Subpoena Duces Tecum (meaning ‘subpoena for production of evidence’) is a court order requiring the person subpoenaed to produce books, documents or other records under his or her control at a specified time/place in a court hearing or a deposition. Oftentimes, compliance can be achieved by mailing, or sending records via e-mail, or providing the records at a specified date without an in-person appearance if arranged in advance'

He didn't comply with all that was asked for so then came the "search and seize" and the rest is history..

NARA/Trump correspondence asking for ALL the documents in his possession and Trump's lawyers delaying for 15 months before the seize.


https://www.archives.gov/foia/pra-trump-admin

 

Naw, he was lying. Trump has come up with at least six different versions as to why he stole and kept classified documents.

Most Republicans on this thread want to change the subject. Do you blame them? Unfortunately, some of those who agree with Trump's federal indictment are playing along with those Republicans.

 

"Attorney General Merrick Garland pushed back Wednesday against GOP accusations that the Justice Department’s plea agreement with Hunter Biden reflects a double standard of preferential treatment for Democrats," CNN.

Republicans are making complete fools of themselves ... again. They can be forgiven. The Republican politicians are talking to Trump's fans, and they are not very bright. They think responsible news is "fake news" because Trump says so.

People are not imprisoned for tax fraud if they have paid the taxes and all fees and penalties. Hunter Biden has done that.

Crack addicts who buy a gun are not placed in prison. The gun is taken away, and the addict is told not to do it again. Hunter was that addict.

Republicans are comparing the treatment Trump is getting for stealing the nation's classified documents with the treatment Hunter is getting, and are saying the President's son is getting preferential treatment, an assertion that is about as ludicrous as it gets.

Comparing Trump's crimes to Hunter's crimes is like comparing a speeding ticket to robbing a bank. Republicans are paying a dear price for their self-respect to stand in front of a television camera and compare the two.

A.G. Garland explains.

CNN continued, "Garland was pressed during a news conference in Sweden to address accusations from Republican lawmakers that Hunter Biden merely received a “slap on the wrist” while former President Donald Trump was criminally indicted.

"Garland rejected the idea, pointing to the fact that the US attorney in Delaware tasked with investigating Biden’s son was appointed under the Trump administration.

"Garland’s remarks come after David Weiss, the US attorney overseeing the Biden criminal probe, told House Judiciary Committee Chair Rep. Jim Jordan in a letter that he had full autonomy over any decision making on the case.

“I have been granted ultimate authority over this matter, including responsibility for deciding where, when, and whether to file charges and for making decisions necessary to preserve the integrity of the prosecution, consistent with federal law, the Principles of Federal Prosecution, and Departmental regulations,” Weiss wrote in the letter.

"The attorney general said that any further questions to “explain” the plea agreement should be directed to the US attorney in Delaware."

Did I say that in their pathetic defense of the hapless Trump, who stole some of our nation's top secrets, some Republicans are making complete fools of themselves? Others are smart enough to stay the hell away from this Republican catastrophe brought on by Trump's uninformed fans.

By a lengthy margin, Trump remains the leading Republican candidate for the Presidency in 2024. Of course, it is expected that Trump's fans will not respond to this report.

 

THEN YOU NEED TO GET MORE INFORMED

The PRA requires that all records created by Presidents (and Vice-Presidents) be turned over to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) at the end of their administrations.

....What are “personal records” under the Presidential Records Act (PRA)?

Under the PRA, "’personal records’ means all documentary materials of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.” This includes

(A) diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business;

(B) materials relating to private political associations, and having no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; and

(C) materials relating exclusively to the President’s own election to the office of the Presidency; and materials directly relating to the election of a particular individual or individuals to Federal, State, or local office, which have no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.



What are “Presidential records” under the Presidential Records Act (PRA)?

"’Presidential records’ means documentary materials created or received by the President, the President’s immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.”

https://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2022/nr22-001


THE US GOV'T HAD TO PAY NIXON $17 MILLION TO RETRIEVE GOV'T PROPERTY THAT EVERY US EX PREZ FROM FDR TO CARTER TURNED OVER VOLUNTARILY

THAT'S WHY PRA WAS CREATED TO DISTINGUISH WHAT WAS US GOV'T PROPERTY AND WHAT WASN'T!!

 

BROKE THE LAW. Simple. He kept CLASSIFIED docs which broke MANY laws. Note the 34 indictments


NO DISCRETION

What are “personal records” under the Presidential Records Act (PRA)?

Under the PRA, "’personal records’ means all documentary materials of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.” This includes

(A) diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business;

(B) materials relating to private political associations, and having no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President; and

(C) materials relating exclusively to the President’s own election to the office of the Presidency; and materials directly relating to the election of a particular individual or individuals to Federal, State, or local office, which have no relation to or direct effect upon the carrying out of constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.



What are “Presidential records” under the Presidential Records Act (PRA)?

"’Presidential records’ means documentary materials created or received by the President, the President’s immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.”

https://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2022/nr22-001

 

LMAOROG. MY GAWD

Both said Burisma owner Mykola Zlochevsky allegedly told an FBI source that he paid $5 million apiece to Hunter and then-Vice President Joe Biden in an attempt to shake off a corruption investigation

https://nypost.com/2023/06/08/fbi-tip-says-burisma-bribed-bidens-prez-asks-wheres-the-money/

DOES THAT HELP?

 

Ex-FBI analyst who kept classified info in bathroom like Trump going to prison...

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'I cannot fathom why you would jeopardize our nation by leaving these types of documents in your bathtub,” Bough said. Bough, an Obama appointee, ordered the former analyst, Kendra Kingsbury, to spend three years and 10 months in prison followed by three years of supervised release.

He ordered her to surrender to federal authorities to begin her prison sentence on July 21. Kingsbury, who had no plea agreement with prosecutors, pleaded guilty to two counts of violating 18 U.S.C. § 793(e) last October. Trump has been indicted on 31 counts, in addition to counts of obstruction of justice and conspiracy.'

cont
Read more at: https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article276608961.html#storylink=cpy

 

Former F.B.I. Analyst Goes to Prison for Taking Classified Documents


Like former President Trump, the former analyst was accused of violating the Espionage Act, taking home hundreds of classified documents and being unhelpful.

Ms. Kingsbury said she was loyal and did not apologize for taking the records. She was “guilty of being too honest,” Ms. Kingsbury said, because she had told the F.B.I. in late 2017 she had the documents. She criticized investigators, accusing them of vilifying her character.


Some of the documents would have revealed the “government’s most important and secretive methods of collecting essential national security intelligence,” prosecutors wrote in a sentencing memo, adding that she removed sensitive documents during the more than 12 years she worked in the F.B.I.’s office in Kansas Cit


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/21/us/politics/fbi-analyst-prison-classified-documents.html

NO PAYWALL
https://archive.ph/mOk58

 

I say this is the perfect precedent for Trump's sentencing.

 

Now this will be fun to watch.
Trump is court ordered not to blab about evidence he gets to see.
How the hell will he be able to control himself and not start bashing witnesses and telling us they'd be nothing if were not for him?

Kyle Cheney
@kyledcheney
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JUST IN: DOJ says it has made its first production of trial discovery to Donald Trump and his team — which means (per the below) he now knows who’s going to testify against him, and roughly what they’re going to say.

 

Surveillance footage was subpoenaed 2X.
I think it's the first time?




Lisa Rubin
@lawofruby
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Trump’s defense team now has access to Nauta’s June 21, 2022 grand jury testimony, which we now know came just 3 days before a subpoena for the surveillance footage was served on the Trump Org.:

 

I've read/viewed a few of Trump's depositions and it's priceless watching him squirm and begin blabbering meaninglessly after answering a prosecutors question all sure of himself then being shown what he had previously said that completely contradicts his answer.
It's beyond human imagination what will happen to him if he sits for a Jack Smith deposition.
imo: The ***** ass bitch will beg for a no jail deal and tell his little soldiers he did it for them because he's "too busy" saving America to keep the communist's witch hunt going.

Renato Mariotti
@renato_mariotti
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I wouldn’t be surprised if the recordings of Trump produced as evidence by Jack Smith include Trump’s TV interviews. My former office sent Rod Blagojevich his own interviews in discovery during his prosecution. He complained about it during a late-night talk show interview.
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Corcoran may have done a Michael Cohen and taped phone calls along with his detailed note taking?
Betcha Corcoran, among other Trump lawyers , sure wish they had listened to Michael's often repeated advice to lawyers,"RUN".
@kaitlancollins
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News: Jack Smith has begun producing evidence in the documents case to Trump, per a new court filing. What's notable is how prosecutors used the plural “interviews” to describe recordings of Trump that Smith has. It's unclear what the may be of or how relevant they are.

 

Not only do Trump's little soldiers repeat "they can do this to you" ad nauseam , they actually believe it. LOL


George Conway Retweeted

Renato Mariotti
@renato_mariotti

Remember, the FBI can seize the classified documents in your bathroom too.
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Rep. Jim Jordan
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Remember, if the FBI can do it to a presidential candidate, they can do it to you too.

6:34 PM · Jun 21, 2023
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When's Dumb Donnies next TV interview?

'JUST IN: Lordy There Are MORE Tapes According To New Filing In Trump Criminal Case'

'But a new filing in the case is raising eyebrows. It details the first batch of evidence that has been provided to Trump’s attorneys through the discovery process, which includes “interviews” — plural — that match the description of the tape we already know about:'

'Production 1 includes a copy of any written or recorded statements made by the defendants. These statements include the following:'

• Interviews of Defendant Trump conducted by non-government entities, which were recorded with his consent and obtained by the Special Counsel’s Office during the investigation of this case, including the July 21, 2021 recorded interview Defendant Trump provided to a publisher and writer quoted in part in the Indictment;
• Public statements made by Defendant Trump, including the public statements quoted in the Indictment;
• The May 26, 2022 FBI interview of Defendant Nauta, which is quoted in the Indictment; and
• The June 21, 2022 grand jury testimony of Defendant Nauta.

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https://www.mediaite.com/trump/just...cording-to-new-filing-in-trump-criminal-case/

 

No. The FBI refuses to disclose the form filed by an informant they claim to be protecting. The informant isn't the Burisma CEO.

 

There is no crime under the PRA. If anything keeping the documents he was entitled to would fall under 18 USC 641 Theft of Government Property. But your statement shows a severe lack of understanding on how the law works. Being charged for crime A does not mean you can't be charged for crime B under a different statute.

Trump kept "stuff" that belonged the US Government...depending on the value of that "stuff" he could be charged under 18 USC 641. The "stuff" he kept ALSO was documentation related to the National Defense meaning that not only would it be a violation of 641 but it is ALSO a violation of 793(e)

 

That's silly.

Just because Trump did not comply with the subpoena, does not mean that they must then get a contempt order before going further. The subpoena was the SECOND attempt to get Trump to give back the documents. The first had been when the requested the documents and boxes were turned over in January. When NARA realized there were STILL documents missing that is when they obtained the subpoena. More documents were then turned over. When NARA realized they STILL had not gotten all the documents they went to the DOJ and the DOJ requested (and was given) a search warrant. There is no need for a contempt order to show that they were attempting to get the documents back.

 

Comer and Grassley got to see the unredacted form and know who the FBI informant was.
Congress got to see the redacted form and wasn't shown who the FBI informer is.

 

Incredible, Republicans have done it again. Following attempts by Republicans Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert to impeach the President, the Republican-led House censured Adam Schiff for comments he made a few years back.

This has to be read to be believed. Even then, belief is hard to muster.

ABC reports, "In a a rare move, the House passed a censure resolution along party lines on Wednesday night against Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif. -- punishing one of the chamber's own members and inflaming rhetoric on both sides of the aisle.

"The vote was 213-209, with Republicans voting yes, Democrats voting no and six GOP lawmakers voting present.

"Schiff, a former intel committee chair, was censured over comments he made years ago during investigations into former President Donald Trump and the Trump campaign's ties to Russia, which interfered in the 2016 election to aid Trump. (The lies as described by McCarthy are ludicrous and entirely meaningless today. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/01/kevin-mccarthy-schiff-adam-lies-intelligence-committee/)."

The [Republican] Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday [4/21/2020] reaffirmed its support for the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusion that the Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election with the goal of putting Donald Trump in the Oval Office. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/...rms-russia-aimed-to-help-trump-in-2016-198171

ABC continued, "Schiff called it a "false and defamatory resolution.

"My colleagues, if there is cause for censure in this House -- and there is -- it should be directed at those in this body who sought to overturn a free and fair election," Schiff said.

Note: In all, 147 Republicans voted to overturn the 2020 Presidential election. 139 were House Republicans. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/07/us/elections/electoral-college-biden-objectors.html

Contrast Schiff's investigation of the Russian government interfering in the 2020 Presidential election for the benefit of the Republican candidate with the investigations being conducted by committee chairmen James Comer (R-Ky.) and Jim Jordan.

The former is based on solid evidence provided by our intelligence agencies and recognized by the Republican Senate Intelligence Committee in April, 2020.

Comer's and Jordan's investigations are based on political bias, unknown whistleblowers, a foreign national, speculation, innuendo, and "I think so." Their investigations are not based on evidence because there isn't any. Gradually, Comer is starting to admit that fact. Jordan would investigate his mother if he thought it would benefit him politically.

It is demoralizing that House Republicans could be this short-sighted. After all, they make up half of our legislative body.

 

Reps. Anna Paulina Luna (R-Fla.) and Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) revealed details after reading the file at the Capitol. Both said Burisma owner Mykola Zlochevsky allegedly told an FBI source that he paid $5 million apiece to Hunter and then-Vice President Joe Biden in an attempt to shake off a corruption investigation.

https://nypost.com/2023/06/08/fbi-tip-says-burisma-bribed-bidens-prez-asks-wheres-the-money/

 

You are assuming the "stuff" belonged to the US government. Trump used his discretion to take it. Does he have no discretion? If not, why do all of these government officials and media just stand by and watch as outgoing presidents cart off pallet loads of documents?

What law makes a document classified? Isn't it an Executive Order that makes a document classified? When a government official records a secret in a document, or encounters a secret document, what animates their decision to mark it secret? How do they know that this particular information might be a secret? It's not a law is it? It's a set of executive agency rules and EO's that tells that officer that their commander-in-chief wants this topic and/or details kept secret.

Can Trump bind himself with EO's about documents that were only secret in the first place because of his own judgment in how to run the Executive? And can Congress then hold him to account for it through a law?

I think not. I know enough about our system of law to know when it's being abused.

 

I know. Again I'm not interested in what they said. I seriously doubt that the Burisma CEO is the informant who filed the corruption complaint. I am interested in what the form says. Because it's authored by someone who stood alone against the VP, before the laptop and Trump, and the rest. THAT'S what the FBI doesn't want me to see.

 

Wow! A foreign national is attacking our President. Gee, this is serious. This has never happened before.

And, of course, Republican members of Congress believe the foreign national when he "allegedly" said this about the President.

The abject stupidity of Republicans never ceases to amaze me..