Don't vote for Ron Paul

I was hoping the 9/11 section was set up to keep truther nuts confined to one area where they can't bring down other threads. Too bad.

 

Yes, we all know the self-hating Rabbi who regularly attends Ahmadinejad's Holocaust denial parties. He's even in Religulous.

What a strong asset to have on your side!

 

It's funny that, in your mind, people not wanting to debate 9/11 with you is evidence that they are "scared of the truth."

From the viewpoint of a non-conspiracy-nutjob, I can assure you that people don't want to get into it with you for the same reasons they don't bother arguing with the guy in the asylum who claims that one of Jupiter's moon's has a race of aliens who sell cheese at inflated prices. It's simply a waste of time to argue with crazy.

 

You'll need to provide the adequate evidence for that claim.

 

Ron Paul IS most definately "American" and believes in America. I disagree with him on foreign policy. I do believe that Ron Paul beleives states should decide marriage policy...one of the few libertarians who tote that line.

I won't vote for him....as I think foreign policy is vital. But I'd love to have him an active part of our domestic policy makers.

 

Sweet. I am glad to a see a right winger vote against a return to the gold standard, the silliest idea of them all.

HOWEVER,

Marijuana is dangerous because it is supplied by a black market. If someone shoots you in your place of business, you can't call the police, because then you go to jail too.

Therefore, people in that industry get shot way more often. Like thousands of them in Mexico.

Also, since the providers of marijuana are already in the illegal market, nobody is going to stop them from also providing meth to teenagers.

Alcohol providers do not provide meth to their customers because their customers will literally call the police and say, and i quote "hey this guy who i am buying drugs from, i mean alcohol, he is also selling meth, which is a way worse drug, so you should get him"

wait what is thread about? The gold standard right? Man what a ridiculous idea that is, cmon ron paul you can do better.

 

The solution has been obvious to about 98% of us for YEARS. Our politicians seem to ignore this solution outright. Destabilize and remove the black market - legalize marijuana.

Pros:

• Remove black market
• reduce crime
• reduce cartel profit, reduce border issues
• tax it - fix economy
• control where it's bought - decrease street crime
• reduce funding needed to prosecute people for possession and put it towards our debt
• reduced court expenses, etc due to lack of need to persecute anyone who even thinks of the "devil plant"
• control it like alcohol and you'll be fine

Con's:

• ummm.....
• .....hmmm..........
• .............?????...........
• .......................................nothing.........

 

and I believe I already mentioned "Religulous".

 

He doesn't really talk like one either but then Dubya and Obama aren't exactly fantastic in those departments either. Obama seems to me really robotic when he talks. Dubya well talking was never his strong point though occasionally when he could string a coherent sentence together wasn't too bad. I think if Ron Paul became president the position would change him somewhat. I don't know much about his policies but his financial viewpoint is pretty much spot on. The Fed needs to go. Also wanting to preserve the constitution and run the country along those lines is pretty good.

The US can't afford to keep the bases open and it can't afford it's social security obligations. The US is pretty much broke. Just this month the President had to do deals to raise the debt limit to keep big brother functioning. There's a reason they have debt limits. It's like those limits the banks set on potential borrowers. It's the amount they think will be able to be payed back. The ratings downgrade of US debt for the first time in history tells you things are pretty serious.

 

Holy(*)(*)(*)(*) YESSS!!!!!!.. you gave me wood!

 

Do you have any evidence that he denies the holocaust?

 

I never said that the Rabbi denied the Holocaust. I said that he attends Ahmadinejad's Holocaust Denial events, which he does. Whether he does, personally, I don't know.

 

Some of this mess on here is pretty stupid.I am active in local and state politics, let me tell ya, our Texas congressmen are scared to death of Ron Paul, won't even mention his name, but are touting Perry. They know what he is all about, that's why they want him in office, they want the same ol same ol "business as usual" in Washington. Now...if I had just listened to them and not checked the congressional record and looked to see what Ron Paul has done, I imagine I might have thrown my support to Perry...thank goodness, I have a real distrust of what politicians "say" and promise. After all, I have been watching this mess unfold since the Vietnam era. For instance, if I had not watched some of Ron Paul's speeches I would have never known about H.R. 645....look it up, chilled me to the bone. Signed into law in Nov. 1990, signed by George Bush (and no, I did not vote for him, already knew what he was about). There is another law sponsored by a Democrat out of Caliornia...Broadband Affordability Act H.R. 2163...so far no action has been taken but....it talks about citizens with low income blah blah blah...ticked me off...I pay for my broadband and think that anyone that can't afford it should not be subsidized. At this point in time, my biggest concern is that we have allowed the politicians to make laws that have eroded our freedom of choice, stripping us of our liberties...it's time that crap is stopped.It's no longer a Democrat or Republican issue to me...it's about the person, I have voted Democrat before and I have voted Republican but not BEFORE I checked to see what they have done. MSM have elected our leaders for a long time now, that's why we are in the mess we are in. If you are concerned about Ron Paul's foreign policy, see some of his speeches,it's definitely nothing to be concerned about and I happen to agree with him, we need to stop meddling in other countries' business, stop nation building, bring our troops home...our National Guard should be on the border not Border agents, eliminate another department...if we keep doing the same ol same ol it won't be long before we won't even have a means of communication, that will also be stripped from us. As for me, I plan to vote for Ron Paul in the primary, if he doesn't get on the ticket, I will write him in, no harm done, all the others are sellouts to the globalists and Bilderbergers. By the way, did yall know one of the co-founders of Facebook was also an attendee of the Bilderberger conference...look for censorship in the near future from Facebook. I do realize they are a private entity and have that right but what are they afraid of? Not gonna mean a lot to me, I have already reached my sixties, but I shudder for the children and grandchildren.

 

yep your scared of the truth,alright,you wont go there and refute it cause you know you cant.what a chicken.

total copout,cant admit it that your afraid and in denial.

 

yeah cause the truth scares you.

 

Ron Paul does not support any of those things. Ron Paul served in the military, he has delivered over 4,000 babies and has never voted for a pay increase or a tax hike. Dont get more American than that. Do your research!

 

The only major problem with Ron Paul I can think of is that he operates under the assumption that either:

1. the private industry can create enough jobs that everyone will have one (it can't, largely due to automation and outsourcing), and

2. even if it can't, that this is not a major issue.

Frankly, automation and outsourcing benefit the Big Man at the expense of the Small/Common Man. That's a big beef I have with big business.

 

So you think that government should serve the moral purpose of ensuring that people have something to do for which they are then given some money in return?

 

Actually, he sounds like a highly educated physician and veteran who became a principled libertarian politician.

 

Frankly, I care about the Common Man wayyyyy more than I care about the "Big Man", and this is true whether the Big Man happens to be members of government or big businesses.

 

You don't know that Ron Paul's free market model cannot achieve optimal employment because it's never been implemented. The statists and the mobs have always stood in the way of economic and social liberty.

And how, exactly, do you propose that every single person who is willing to work obtain a job? I guess we just have the government pay them to do meaningless and wasteful tasks? How will you distinguish between people who really cannot get a job and people who are just plain lazy?

 

That's why I made my "Ron Paul: the test to end various claims" thread. We'll see.

No, but that'd still be somewhat better than just letting millions of people starve on the streets IMHO

 

I doubt it. The odds of this country achieving a Federalist model consistent with libertarian philosophy is virtually zero. The mob can't be bothered to learn about it, and the powers that be will resist it at all costs. It's pretty much a futile endeavor. I just hope that we can move incrementally towards a more liberty-oriented model of governance, but achieving the ideal...that's almost impossible.

Who is going to starve!? Ever hear of a soup kitchen? Or a local government? Or Ramen noodles and rice?

 

Sounds like a self-defeatist attitude to me.

The bottom line is that the "free market" simply would not care who starves and how many people do.

 

Or a realistic assessment of the situation. I see evidence of it here every day. People are so intellectually stunted and arrogant that it makes the possibility of achieving liberty and social equity almost impossible.

That, of course, is complete nonsense totally at odds with reality.

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