Dual Tier Minimum Wage?

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    Exactly why a person needs to have dignity, so people can see the beauty in each person.
     
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    Poetic. People need food and shelter. Dignity is good, but not a necessity.



     
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    When faced with nothing but the rain, when you are on the gutter of the streets without anything to your name, plunge forward unto the sword.
     
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    Your life, your choice. *shrug*



     
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    those who can't work or don't want to work for minimum wage, shall not eat.
     
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    Unlikely.



     
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    2 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat." 2 Thessalonians 3:11 We hear that some among you are idle. They are not busy; they are busybodies.
     
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    Since then, we invented something called welfare.



     
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    welfare traps people into poverty with handouts, a living wage encourages them to pursue happiness with an honest days work.
     
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    *sigh* Full circle.

    (and a living wage someone didn't earn is as much a handout at a welfare check)




     
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    that is crony capitalist violence which punishes the people with a life of unhappiness on welfare, who can't or choose not to work for minimum wage.

    in ethical capitalism in a free market, the non violent capitalist encourages the people in the pursuit of happiness along side him or her with living wages.
     
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    No, it's not. Declining to pay someone's debts is not punishment.



     
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    if the poor choose not submit to the will of the capitalist they are trapped in the slavery of poverty on welfare.

    the minimum wage coerces debt through crony capitalist violence,
     
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    Trapped by what?



     
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    the welfare plantation, the capitalist must pay a living wage to free the people from slavery.
     
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    The door is open, you don't want welfare — don't take it.



     
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    if you don't want to be slave owner, don't pay someone a minimum wage but a living wage.
     
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    still waiting for robots to replace the workforce, and wondering how those robots will afford to buy products and services from the capitalist when they work for free and have no human needs.
     
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    Visit McDonalds.


    A sale is an exchange of value. You give him something, in return you get something. There's nothing to wonder about, if zero labor models give you what you want without asking for a return — you can afford to sell much less (or nothing at all).


     
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    if robots take jobs from people, who will afford to buy stuff from the capitalist?
     
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    Take the jobs of some people. The people who want too much value for the little they offer in return.

    The best place to sell many products stopped being the U.S. in 2012. The U.S. dropped another rung in 2014. Right now most large businesses are targeted sales to China—the rising middle class in China has built the number one economy in the world.

    The purpose of a business is to provide value for the folks who own that business. Value must be produced within the business and it can be added to the business through sales of some of that value to other parties. But it is reduced by the expenses of the business. If expenses go up without value going up, it dies. If you dramatically reduce business expenses, a business can afford to loose most (maybe all) it's sales while becoming more successful.

    Many products and services can be sold in international markets, many can be sold to people in the United States and some business models require no sales at all. Total U.S. sales may go down. Companies will be more successful.



     
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    so the capitalist sends Americans on welfare so he or she can sell stuff to the chinese?

    the robots take jobs at home, and they sell cheeseburgers to the asians who don't mind working for less than minimum wage.
     
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    Business owners are not sending Americans anywhere. Minimum wage workers wanted to be free of that employment—they are being emancipated.

    U.S. businessmen get to keep their businesses. By replacing minimum wage workers with zero labor models businesses now become competitive in international markets. They can sell chairs, drones, pharmaceuticals, automobiles, iPhones, and more. It's a win-win scenario.

    And yes, we currently sell cheeseburgers in China. In fact, U.S. companies like Modern Meadow and Impossible Foods are working on zero labor meats built in the U.S. through bio-fabrication techniques. Processed into hamburgers by robotic ovens (built by San Francisco based Momentum Machines) and delivered through established restaurant brands like McDonalds.

    You are mistaken about the competitive advantages of the Chinese economy. GM sells more automobiles in China than in the United States (since 2013). Chinese workers are well enough compensated that they can afford those cars.




     
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    looks like we need tariffs on these business people who create living wage jobs in china instead of the US

    or even better we should use government force to take the wealth of crony capitalists who invest in other countries, deport those crony capitalists to china, and redistribute that wealth to real Capitalists who invest in America.
     

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