Dutch government to close 3000 farms to comply with EU environmental rules

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The insanity of environmental regulations...

    Dutch Government To Seize And Close 3,000 Farms To Comply With EU Environmental Rules

    The Dutch government is planning to buy and close down up to 3,000 farms near environmentally sensitive areas to be in compliance with EU environmental rules.

    It comes after farmer protests erupted this summer following a government plan to reduce nitrogen emissions by 50% by 2030, The New York Times reported. Farmers believe the measure unfairly targeted the agricultural sector, which is responsible for the largest portion of nitrogen emissions in the Netherlands, the Times added.


    https://dailycaller.com/2022/11/28/dutch-government-seize-3000-farms-eu-environmental-rules/

    Ironically what this is going to lead to is those green open spaces being razed to make way for building construction, as the cities expand outward. The Netherlands has the highest population density in Europe, and it's going to be sad when no open spaces or fields are left anywhere near where the cities are.
     
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    What sort of farms were they? I am betting they were high pressure factory pig farms

     
  3. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    sadly many thought this would end poverty, but it just increased populations and put society at a greater risk of mass starvation

    processed high carb foods, processed seed oils and factory farming, all also pose health risks, metabolic diseases, lower quality of life, higher healthcare costs
     
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    There is no targeted type of farm. Closures to begin voluntarily. If 3,000 closures not achieved that way, then coerced closings will fill the gap.
     
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    Yes, we would all be better off with less food. That way the population would be lower because many of the peole that are alive to day and having kids would have already died. Nice thought there.
     
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    it's not as black and white as that

    still as many starving today as back then, just more are unhealthy now, metabolic diseases on the rise

    people can support unhealthy food if they want, can't change it now without lots of pain and starvation - where the western diet goes, health issues go up

    the droughts, oil prices, etc... gonna bring much starvation when these factory farms can't keep up with grain, etc...
     
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    Is this evidence that the woke progressives of the world intend to simply starve the people in their ridiculous drive to depopulate the world?
     
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    you have to wonder, you can't support today's population without factory farming, just a fact

    combine the shutdowns with the droughts, the Ukraine grain shortage, the list goes on, and not a good combo
     
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    Did you bother reading the actual article provided before you ran off on a tangential deflection? Do you know what nitrogen controls are?
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    So, you believe then that you should be able to simply starve the populations out because you are worried they will eventually starve? That seems pretty base.
     
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    where did you read that, I made it clear that we already went down this road, and we can't change, if we do... many starve

    I am stating the way it is, and why we can't change now

    (in other words, I was agreeing with you)
     
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    There has been no increase in drought.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    around the globe been increased amount, we live in a global society
     
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    Got it. I would point out that the land in question in the Netherlands isn't corp farming. The Dutch are essentially attacking middle class land owners.
     
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    Nope.

    New Study: There Is No Extreme Precipitation, Drought, Flood, Hurricane, Tornado….Climate Crisis
    By Kenneth Richard on 10. February 2022

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    After a thorough examination of extreme weather indices across the globe, scientists (Alimonti et al., 2022) have concluded “none of these response indicators show a clear positive trend of extreme events.” Therefore. “the climate crisis that, according to many sources, we are experiencing today, is not evident yet.”
    There is an “absence of generalized growth trends in extreme precipitation.”

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    The trends that do exist are decidedly positive. Global maize, rice, soybean, wheat yields have increased by ~3% per year since 1961 for two main reasons: “technological progress and CO2 fertilization”. The root of the modern global greening phenomenon is “the increase of atmospheric CO2”.

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    @Jack Hays Democrats believe they are smarter than you, and that you simply "accept" that. And when they tell you shyte you obey. That's how the plantation is supposed to work. So, all the "facts" that belie their proclamations can be ignored, because mommy said so...
     
  17. Sunsettommy

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    PROVE IT!
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you have not heard about the effects of drought in the USA and Africa?

    maybe your country won't be affected?
     
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  19. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    You're the one who wanted to talk about global drought. I took care of that in #15. Now you want to talk about the US.
    OK:

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    Drought May 23, 20210
    The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) brought back its Climate Change Indicator’s platform last week. The agency’s post, titled “Climate Change Indicators: Drought,” shows...


    The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) brought back its Climate Change Indicator’s platform last week. The agency’s post, titled “Climate Change Indicators: Drought,” shows there is no cause for alarm that climate change is increasing drought. The data cited and graphed by EPA shows no trend towards greater numbers of droughts or droughts of greater severity. They say,

    “Average drought conditions across the nation have varied over time,” writes EPA. “The 1930s and 1950s saw the most widespread droughts, while the last 50 years have generally been wetter than average [see the figure below]. Over the entire period … the overall trend has been toward wetter conditions.”

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    This chart shows annual values of the Palmer Drought Severity Index, averaged over the entire area of the contiguous 48 states. Positive values represent wetter-than-average conditions, while negative values represent drier-than-average conditions. A value between -2 and -3 indicates moderate drought, -3 to -4 is severe drought, and -4 or below indicates extreme drought. The thicker line is a nine-year weighted average. Data source: NOAA, 20217 Web update: April 2021
    EPA’s drought climate change indicator confirms what other sources of data have shown. As reported in Climate at a Glance: Drought, for example, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports with “high confidence” that precipitation has increased over mid-latitude land areas of the Northern Hemisphere (including the United States) during the past 70 years. IPCC also has “low confidence” about any negative precipitation trends occurring globally.

    Moreover, the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reports America is currently is undergoing its longest period in recorded history with less than 40 percent of the country experiencing “very dry” conditions. Also, the United States in 2017 – and then again in 2019 – registered its smallest percentage of land area experiencing drought. . . .
     
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    :roflol:

    Then you failed to support your claims means epic fail on your part.

    By the way why did you ignore post 15?

    Cheers.
     
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    sorry, you failed to prove your point, epic fail
     
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    Who wrote these unsupported assertions?

    "around the globe been increased amount, we live in a global society"

    Then I asked you to prove it, you respond with this:

    "you have not heard about the effects of drought in the USA and Africa?

    maybe your country won't be affected?"

    Your next reply is dishonest since I wasn't trying to make a point it was to get you to back up your statements which you failed to provide, and you still ignored Post 15.

    You are ducking the challenge to support your drought claims maybe because you know you don't have any......
     
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  23. FreshAir

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    fail, try again
     
  24. Jack Hays

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    Pretty big talk for a poster with a string of unsupported (in fact, refuted) claims.
     
  25. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure, keep believing that....
     

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