Early Christians Interpreted Gospels Allegorically

DivineComedy · Jan 22, 2012

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Margot · Jan 22, 2012

DivineComedy said: ↑

BULL! You obviously do not know Christianty.

No, Margot, "Islam may have been the first globlizing power.. and then came the Crusades.." is simply not the time line.

Holy Roman Christianity, the perversion of Constantine, the imperial decrees--that by force removed the gods of polytheists and made them myths, turned Christianity into imperialism, and slaughtered the Jews under Heraclius, preceded Islam in imperial Rome--could be considered the catalyst to Islam into being what it became. Instead of following the words of Jesus, that we still have in Vulgate of the time all through all of the examples of "Christian" imperialism, we can see even in that there is no corruption of Jesus' words to support imperialism or slaying until all religion is for God. MoHamMad (bless his mad deluded soul) obviously did not get Jesus' words in the Vulgate, maybe because of Romanfacsist imperialism.

The imperialism of the one whose Koran is corrupt forces us to Crusade, to cross an ocean, names Cherokee "Indians," but in time the persecution of the government's Church brought the words of Jesus back to fruition. Maybe, just maybe, the tyranny Muslims have suffered under for so long by their own people will inspire them, to demand enfranchisement, to see what Jesus said, to modify their beliefs to be more tolerant of others and not so violent or offended by words and cartoons critical of their Black Stone Idolatry.

There are no military ORDERS by Jesus or advocated by his words.

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Included for context:

Volume 1, Book 2, Number 48:
One day while the Prophet was sitting in the company of some people, (The angel) Gabriel came and asked, "What is faith?" Allah's Apostle replied, 'Faith is to believe in Allah, His angels, (the) meeting with Him, His Apostles, and to believe in Resurrection." Then he further asked, "What is Islam?" Allah's Apostle replied, "To worship Allah Alone and none else, to offer prayers perfectly to pay the compulsory charity (Zakat) and to observe fasts during the month of Ramadan."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 191:

..."In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful (This letter is) from Muhammad, the slave of Allah, and His Apostle, to Heraculius, the Ruler of the Byzantine. Peace be upon the followers of guidance. Now then, I invite you to Islam (i.e. surrender to Allah), embrace Islam and you will be safe; embrace Islam and Allah will bestow on you a double reward. But if you reject this invitation of Islam, you shall be responsible for misguiding the peasants (i.e. your nation). O people of the Scriptures! Come to a word common to you and us and you, that we worship. None but Allah, and that we associate nothing in worship with Him; and that none of us shall take others as Lords besides Allah. Then if they turn away, say: Bear witness that we are (they who have surrendered (unto Him)..(3.64)"...

Doesn't that pretty much tell the tale? Did he say to the "Christian" emperor Heraclius embrace faith, or embrace Islam?

"The return of Heraclius from Tauris to Constantinople was a perpetual triumph..." (p, 1550, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, by Edward Gibbon) {all quotes are straight out of my copy so there may be typos}

"The succeeding year was illustrated by the triumph of a very different kind, the restitution of the true cross to the holy sepulchre. Heraclius performed in person the pilgrimage of Jerusalem...Before the emperor presumed to thread the consecrated ground, he was instructed to strip himself of the diadem and the purple, the pomp and vanity of the world; but in the judgment of his clergy the persecution of the Jews was more easily reconciled with the precepts of the gospel." (P, 1551, ibid)

"When Heraclius returned in triumph from the Persian war, he entertained, at Emesa, one of the ambassadors of Mahomet, who invited the princes and nations of the earth to the profession of Islam. On this foundation the zeal of the Arabians has supposed the secret conversion of the Christian emperor;..." (p, 1760, ibid)

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 191:

Narrated Abdullah bin Abbas:
"He said, 'Do the noble or the poor follow him?' I replied, 'It is the poor who follow him.' He said, 'Are they increasing or decreasing (day by day)?' I replied,' They are increasing.' He said, 'Does anybody amongst those who embrace his (the Prophet's) Religion become displeased and then discard his Religion?'. I replied, 'No. ' He said, 'Does he break his promises? I replied, 'No, but we are now at truce with him and we are afraid that he may betray us." Abu Sufyan added, "Other than the last sentence, I could not say anything against him. Caesar then asked, 'Have you ever had a war with him?' I replied, 'Yes.' He said, 'What was the outcome of your battles with him?' I replied, 'The result was unstable; sometimes he was victorious and sometimes we.' He said, 'What does he order you to do?' I said, 'He tells us to worship Allah alone, and not to worship others along with Him, and to leave all that our fore-fathers used to worship. He orders us to pray, give in charity, be chaste, keep promises and return what is entrusted to us.'"

Read that, Christians have faith; Islam has the military ORDER "to offer prayers perfectly," to be seen of men for the express purpose of perfecting his imperialistic control (He said, 'Does anybody amongst those who embrace his (the Prophet's) Religion become displeased and then discard his Religion?'. I replied, 'No.), and the government's compulsory taxes.

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Anyone wanting to convert the world to their faith is not in and of itself the act of imperialism, they still can retain their freedom of Government, but threatening people with not being safe if they do not convert to a military order is Islamifascist imperialism.

Certainly Margot, we want the Muslims to be good, even I can leave it to God to judge them on judgement day and not say to them they are going to hell for not dabbing water on their head or dunking it. But, I will not admit that monster was a prophet of God, or that the Koran is Holy. To even come close to believing any of the Koran was inspired by God they will have to accept the Koran is corrupt, include commentary in every printed copy, and condemn much in it and the Hadith as being imperalistic Islamifascist. Before I can even come close to trusting them for a support of establishment of a "uniform Rule of Naturalization" that allows them to till so much as a single acre of our lands.

Ownership of land

In Islam there are three kinds of land from the stand‑point of ownership:

(1) Lands owned by society

(2) Lands owned by State

(3) Lands owned by private individuals

Lands owned by society

This kind of lands is not salable. Even the State has no right to sell them. Lands developed and tilled by human hands and those which come under Muslim control conse(*)quent on jihad are considered to be the property of the Muslim society and none can purchase or sell even one metre thereof.
http://www.al-islam.org/philosophyofislam/17.htm

That Islam is 100% incompatable with our freedom to potentially be athiests, hindu, buddists, LGBT {strange creatures}, Bunny Ranch whores, or even worship God in a Bible Belt according our faith without miltary orders. If they reach critical mass, all this freedom, everything could be gone.

Yes, pray for them, love them, pray that the Arab Spring, Moslem summer bummer, and the cold hard Syrian winter of discontent eventually gives them enfranchisement, and the human rights to say what is corrupt and not corrupt in their books, what is a false prophet or not, to convert according to their heart to a peaceful religion or to simply abandon Islam without being slain according to the orders of the false prophet and his Satanic minions; what is good works being left to be the only argument truly in favor of their being righteous.
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Islam offered up the first Just War Theory... forbidding the slaughter of women, children and non combattants.. forbidding the destruction of trees, crops, water wells.. Forbidding the slaughter of livestock. You should probably read the Koran.

Artiewhitefox · Jan 22, 2012

The human animal is the only animal that will open up its mouth and say bad things about its maker. That means the lowly non human animals have faith being better than we are.Think about that.

daisydotell · Jan 22, 2012

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