Economics is Taught with a Left Wing Bias

Not for lack of trying. In terms of % of the economy under socialist control vs private ownership, it's 50/50 in Britain. so we are half way to dictatorship, perhaps!
Seriously dude we have a hereditary monarchy. Like I care about dictatorship, lol, but that is what happens in Socialism. It's like democracy only with just the one main party and it always gets back into office each election.
Not so many checks and balances. More open to corruption.
I don't know why really, guessing, I just know the history. That it happens every time.

Actually successful capitalism went on for thousands of years before the word "capitalism" got coined to describe it.
The very first recorded human writing, Linear B, is a trade script. A tally system. So they might not have been known of by you, until you heard about capitalism, but they have been known to the world. To mankind for a very long time indeed.
And everything you and I have ever thought on the subject has all been thought before. And in many cases tried before.

Class. If you bum around in a palace all day, eating big dinners and having people faun on you, you are not working class.
Because working class people go to work and earn bugger all.
You are as upper class as it is humanly possible to be. Ruling class

 

you spoke well of socialism even after it has killed 120 million human souls as if to suggest that if only we could find a route to true socialism the hundreds of millions of deaths would be not have been in vain.

 

I see greed everywhere. I see it you. I see it in me. I see it every where.

I see all these greedy people soaking everyone in the name of the poor. And I think to myself, hey wait a minute? I am poorer than these guys taking money off me. And I see the dustman, he won't let me take y own rubbish away. Instead I have to pay him £40 to do it. Half a day's pay. Because he stole my own job from me. By law. Because his union appointed the lawmakers.
I have to work half a day a week for him, or go to prison. In return for...a bin collection. ****ing great. socialism. I can bloody well do it myself in 20 minutes for £3.
Only I won't go to prison for £40. You'll have to kill me before I bow to that. So they will. And that will be OK with the dustman. My life is worth less than that to him. Socialism. They will kill me if I don't do as they say. For the greater good they say. For the greater good of who I reply?

A millionaire doesn't want to pay tax, I'll bet he doesn't. and he's not alone in that
Everyone wants to pay lower taxes. You don't have to be rich to share that sentiment. Just not on the gravy train.
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One day I'd like to be a millionaire. Being a millionaire is a good thing. I don't want them to have to pay taxes either. In my perfect utopia, none of us would.

 

no not at all a man raking in $50K may want to and need to double his net worth more or less than a man raking in $8 million. We are free; we don't want Nazi govt telling anyone they should not want and need to double their net worth and productivity.

 

liberals spied for Stalin and Hitler because they loved their big liberal govt. Liberals want a living commie Constitution not the dead one our Founders wrote. Do you know why?? The very idea of America is limited govt; the very idea of liberalism is the exact opposite.This is why when the Oleg Klugian needed new spies he "looked among the liberals." Make sense?

 

I can't, when people keep posting inaccurate, demonstrably false information.

 

lol, you have completely detached yourself from reality.

 

They are Social Democracies, not Socialist.

Socialism advocates that government own the means of production. Social Democracies maintains that they remain private enterprise. (But typically with more profound government markets oversight than in pure capitalist economies, as is the US.)

 

violent personal attack because you lack the ability for a substantive response.

 

Sez you - any more one-liners in your notebook of pedantic sayings?

This is a debate* forum, not a message board - unless that fact has escaped you ...

*Debate = a formal discussion on a particular matter in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward

 

wrong that was 100 years ago!! today's socialist bureaucrats know they are far too stupid to own and manage businesses. They merely seek to control business with taxes and regulations. In America it is not working out. with taxes and regulations they have destroyed entire industries and the middle class.

 

How would you like me to respond to the insanity in your post?

 

And I thoroughly refuted his position, with links supporting my argument. He persists in denying reality. There's nothing more I can do, but to remind him he's been refuted.

Would you like to debate something? Or just but in to conversations you haven't even read all of?

 

more violent personal attack because you lack the ability for a substantive response.

 

Exactly socialists pulled the whole we'll take over the means of production and steal the country routine, one time too many.
Socialist no longer use this method, because it no longer works.

It turns out, Liberals can read books too. Who knew?

We countered it by adopting globalisation. Finding sources beyond their ability to control.. We switched to new technologies to break their stangleholds on supply. Switched from coal to gas. Stopped using the trains and buses, moved over to the car. By privatisation we broke their ability to cause contagion. Strike across multiple companies at the same time.
We broke each of their monopolies as they infiltrated and created them. And continue to do so.

They will never stop trying to rule over us. From time to time we have to have a big cull. That's how it always ends. Ends just for a little while. And then back again, taking more and more and more until you have to kill them to stop them again. Because otherwise they will kill you. Same old story. Again. Evolved again. Man kind has discovered a new way of thinking and has evolved again. Just like he always does. The ubermen are here again, bow to their enlightenment or die. Again. These people feel superior to me. They do not accept me as their equal. I am subhuman. An animal in their eyes. I must be ruled.

In the words of Bob Marley. You have to kill them before they grow.

Give them an inch, they will take a mile. Kill them while they are weak. The world knows full well what happens when they get strong enough.

 

Oh sunshine, this exchange was over as soon as the verified that you were a partisan hack with those idiotic "Replicant" comments.

If I could go a day without some hack calling me a "Pinko Commie" or "Fascist Pig" (paraphrasing, of course) I'd be surprised. It does tend to be useful to weed out the dregs though.

 

Being in corporate accounting for years, I of all people understand the truth behind your comment.

 

Indeed. That's exactly what I said.

 

I'm beginning to seriously wonder about you and your personal ideological ideas. Some of what you say is bizarre, if I'm understanding you.

How does a typical business run when it is "under socialist control" regarding management, workers, instructions to workers on what to do, etc.? Who tells the workers what to do and how to do it? Who decides what to do with the profits when "under socialist control"? Etc.

Right. How does that tie in?

What, specifically?

This is why I'm beginning to seriously wonder about you. That is entirely incorrect. Until the early-to-middle years of the Middle Ages, feudalism was the economic system of Europe, and at that point agricultural productivity reached its technological limitations and stopped growing. Capitalism took shape in Europe in the late Middle Ages and Renaissance. However, while trade has existed since early in human history, it was not capitalism. Modern capitalism, however, only fully emerged in the early modern period between the 16th and 18th centuries. So your claim of thousands of years of capitalism is incorrect..... very incorrect.

Linear B was used just about exclusively in administrative applications, probably by scribes. There were upwards of 45 different styles or kinds of Linear B. It has been found mainly in palace archives and it disappeared during the Early Bronze Age. It had nothing to do with capitalism. It seems to have been used as a system for recording and tallying the plunder appropriated by the royalty.

 

Correction: EARLY socialism advocated that government own the means of production. And there was a reason for that, dictated by the circumstances. Russia was seriously weakened by wars and the communists saw it as an opportunity to seize state power by force. Having seized state power, they had an urgent need to get control of the situation quickly, and the most expedient means was to have the state dictate everything and manage everything. That was the beginning of state capitalism, but they thought they were going to establish socialism. It didn't work. Similar in some other countries, most notably China.

So socialism does not advocate that government own the means of production. That ownership was supposed to be a temporary step, buying time to work out socialism as worker control of production.

In fact, Marx didn't develop any analysis or proposal or prediction or description of what socialism would be. His work was that of critiquing capitalism. The process of working out what socialism would be was left to those who worked to implement it. And nobody every established a developed treatise on what socialism would be and how to implement it.

Those early attempts failed and so have been abandoned. The world in moving on.

 

THE WAGES OF SOCIALISM: Zimbabwe tobacco is booming, but farmers growing it are not.

Many of Zimbabwe’s tobacco farmers share the same plight during the ongoing selling season of the crop, Zimbabwe’s second biggest earner after gold. While exported tobacco rakes in hundreds of millions of dollars, small-time farmers feel left out of the lucrative cycle.

A cash shortage that underlines the country’s deepening economic woes has left farmers who travel long distances to auctions unpaid, stranded and desperate.

Farmers like Kahari are not paid in cash because of the currency shortage. But they need the money because much of Zimbabwe, especially rural areas where there is little infrastructure, is a cash-based society.

Instead, their earnings are deposited into accounts that they must open at bank branches at the auction houses. Then the farmers must stick around for weeks, hoping for the daily withdrawal limit of $100 but often getting no more than $50.

Meanwhile, tobacco sales have jumped 30 percent from last year, earning $300 million so far, according to the country’s Tobacco Industry Marketing Board.

President Robert Mugabe and many in his government point to rebounding tobacco production as justification for often violent land seizures years ago. Many tobacco farmers were resettled on farms forcibly taken from whites, 20 years after Zimbabwe became independent from white minority rule in 1980.

Mugabe’s deputy, Emmerson Mnangagwa, said this month that tobacco sales mean “the cake is now spread to ordinary families in the countryside,” but many distressed people at a tobacco sales floor wore torn clothes. On May 4, police fired tear gas to disperse tobacco farmers protesting non-payment and hazardous living conditions at auction floors.

It doesn’t take much imagination to figure out where all that money is going.

 

Yeah, except that isn't socialism and they don't even try to claim to be socialist.

 

Yeah, right.

The End of the Postnational Illusion.

So, what did we get wrong? Are we not rational creatures? Did the Enlightenment not really change the world? Should we give up on its legacy? No, there is no need to go that far. I am very far from being a proponent of “postmodernist” (that is, post-Enlightenment) thinking. The Enlightenment itself, however, can be understood in different ways. Our perception of it is too much defined by the ideas of the eighteenth-century French philosophes. Theirs is not the only way to respect progress and rationality; one can do that without enforcing too strict an opposition between reason and anything that looks like “prejudice.”

The Scottish (and, more broadly, the British) version of the Enlightenment suggests a more nuanced approach that allows for development based on the spread of education, support for individual freedom, and toleration of differences, but without rejecting religion or respect for cultural traditions. The Scotsman David Hume was a great Enlightenment thinker and a friend of progress, but he also said this scandalous thing about reason: “Reason is, and ought only to be the slave of the passions, and can never pretend to any other office than to serve and obey them.” Contrary to what one might think, this does not imply a celebration of irrational instincts, or of any kind of “prejudice,” but allows for a more realistic understanding of the place of rationality within the structure of human nature.

The other general supposition that underpins the expectation of the coming decline of nations is the idea that human nature itself is largely constructed. Again, I will refer to Marx, who believed that there is no such thing as “human nature,” but only the “ensemble of social relations.” We are all shaped by “social forces.” Some combination of these has made us nationalists, but some other combination will “cure” us of that, as well as of any tendency to be religious, or even (so Marx believed) to be selfish. Humanity is plastic, the thinking runs. It can be made over, and made better. This Marxian vision is the wellspring of the social constructivism that has become so influential in the social science of our day.

The belief that humanity is plastic implies that some few should have the power to mold the rest.

 

ZANU–PF is socialist. The party maintains a politburo and a Central Committee. But if I were you, I wouldn't claim them either. Every socialist movement that gains national power, ends up here, at some point.

Every other socialism movement trying to gain power, claims the previous attempts got some key element wrong, and that they will do better if they ever gain national control.

 

Whatever you say.