Egg Prank went bad

Kids were throwing eggs from their car at other cars

A concerned citizen showed him his gun and took on pursuit

The kids sped through a stop sign on the run in the vehicle chase from the gun guy and killed a woman in the accident

Can you see why I do not think they should be charged with murder??

Citizens can't do cops work.. The vigilante should have called 911 and let them go

Eggs can kill..but the probability is low

 

The driver and the gun flasher in my opinion both share blame.

 

14-year-old has a record and can possibly be charged as an adult. Hope so.

Lock the bastard up.

 

The vigilante apparently committed a crime. The egg-throwers committed a crime. My understanding is that any death that results from that crime, is held against the criminal.

 

Interesting point. In many states there is this scenario too:

Two armed criminals walk into a gas station and point their weapons at the clerk. The clerk pulls out a firearm and shoots and kills one of the armed criminals and the other flees. The criminal who fled will be charged with the murder of the other criminal.

 

And rightfully so.

 

Another criminally irresponsible gun owner...

 

Yeah, I dunno if I think that is reasonable.

I don't see why anyone should be charged with murder in that particular scenario.

 

It actually makes a lot of sense to me. It's a HUGE deterrent to commit armed robbery. Assuming the criminals understand the consequences.

 

Link to the story?

 

The charge would likely be manslaughter, since there was no intent.... (from my years of watching Law and Order)

 

Lol...Yeah, because idiot criminals are so well informed.

 

Here's my take on this. Gun owners are responsible for what they do with their guns. Car drivers are responsible for what they do in their cars. The gun owner merely flashed his gun, but this was based on the other car driver's actions which were not legal. Unless the kids can prove they were in fear of their lives and not trying to avoid be held responsible for their egg throwing, then the kid is responsible for the woman's death and should be charged with manslaughter.

But I would like to get more details on this story before my opinion is carved in stone.

 

In the end it doesn't matter. They made a personal choice. They must man up to it.

 

The gun owner brandished. Brandishing is illegal and what happened is one if the reasons why.

One of the rules of firearm safety is 'don't pull or point your weapon at anything you're not willing to destroy.' If he was willing to destroy kids for throwing eggs, he needs to not be loose in public.

I have to wonder though, if he had pursued 'gunless' and the fleeing kids killed a pedestrian, would he still be at fault? Chasing away eggers is a perfectly reasonable response (when you're not flashing a firearm) and I bet the result would have been the same.

 

Depend on the gun law in the state (no link, no detail to this OP), but he wasn't in eminent danger and it's reckless to brandish a gun. If somebody brandished a gun at me and continue to pursue, I would take it as a direct threat on my life. It's easy for the kids to prove they are fearful for their lives. He's at least 50% responsible and should be in jail.

 

As others have pointed out, you have to link the story in order to be compliant with rules in the CE section. But also don’t quote more than one or two sentences from the story or they will also shut the thread down for the newly created/selectively enforced ‘fair use violations’ rule.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/us/car-crash-egg-throwing-teenagers.html

A 14-year-old Texas boy who was said to have been throwing eggs at cars was charged with murder after he crashed into a pickup truck and killed a woman while being chased by another driver, the authorities said on Wednesday.

The 14-year-old driver was subsequently charged with murder and booked in the county juvenile detention center, Sheriff Gonzalez said, adding that the boy’s ankle was broken as a result of the crash.

In the meantime, the driver of the Lincoln was located by investigators and was cooperating with the authorities, the statement from the sheriff’s office said.

Brandishing a weapon is illegal, since I doubt the individual that pulled the weapon can show he was in fear of his life over egg throwers I hope he is charged with as much if not more than the kid driving.

 

Thanks for the link.... I still don't see how that's murder, since there is no premeditation..

Murder = the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.

A criminal homicide is charged as manslaughter when a person "recklessly causes the death of another individual," according to the Texas penal code.

I know I'm splitting hairs, but that's why courts invented the concept of manslaughter...

 

Bum BUMM...

 

Probably some liberal.

 

Thanks for picking up the slack.

Yeah, I believe they are both responsible for the woman’s death in this case. Simply put vandalism doesn’t call for guns. He should have gotten a license plate number and called the police.

 

^ Thread win.

 

Yeah, you know those gun nut liberals, always muckin’ about.

 

Throwing eggs is not a felony and does not constitute deadly force.
Use of force was not authorized. Each driver bears responsibility.

 

It probably won’t be a murder charge. Our court system is absurdly complex so I don’t even begin to guess who will be charged with what.