Egypt's second revolution - June 30 2013 !!

The Egyptian street has been gripped by fear and anticipation with 30 June right at the doorstep. Those feelings have been exacerbated by the tense relationship between the presidency and the Muslim Brotherhood on the one hand, and most of the opposition powers on the other. The country appears to be sliding into darkness with politics becoming more of a zero-sum game with no room for compromise. Today, each party believes only it is capable of achieving the goals of the revolution, altogether alienating the others.

It is therefore not unlikely that a fresh wave of violence will sweep across the country with protests aimed at bringing down the regime and getting rid of Brotherhood rule. This gloomy outlook is reinforced by the scenes of violence that broke out over the past two weeks, the last of which erupted in Mansoura, Sharqiya and Gharbiya and left one dead and 298 people injured.

But some past events are to blame for the current crisis, the most important of which was the Constitutional Declaration Morsy issued on 21 November. Several of the presidency's miscalculated decisions and reactions, as well as the government's slow response to the demands of the revolutionaries, have added fuel to the raging flames. On the other hand, the opposition remains incapable of providing a viable alternative and continues to react to the angry crowds on the streets rather than being an initiator of action. The opposition has failed to present solid platforms, even though it accuses the regime of losing its sense of direction.

The Brotherhood, the Islamist current -- the Jama’a al-Islamiya and Salafi currents, excluding the Nour Party -- and the presidency describe the opposition’s calls for early presidential elections as nonsense and see them as an attempt to overthrow a legitimate regime and abort the Islamist project for the sake of secular, liberal and leftist currents. This view of the protests renders the conflict one centred on religion as well as on politics.

The protest staged by Islamist currents in Rabea al-Adaweya Square on 21 June provides evidence of their rejection of the president’s resignation and of violence.

Therefore, the resignation of the president is out of the question for Islamists and the call for early elections unacceptable in principle. Meanwhile, the opposition have set early elections as their primary condition, deepening the rift and warning of confrontation and violence, with opposition powers expected to vent their anger in violent acts targeting some institutions such as the presidential palace, cabinet of ministers or the Shura Council headquarters.

The opposition's rejection of dialogue with the presidency on the second anniversary of the revolution -- which is partially attributed to the lack of mutual confidence -- is actually more to blame than the presidency. Despite the spate of violence flaring across the country, the opposition does not seem to be ready to make compromises particularly if the crowds of proesters support their demands. The current state of mobilisation, the tensions and feelings of alienation stoked by some politicians, preachers and the media from both sides have rendered 30 June a zero-sum game with one side having to wipe out the other.

Some of the opposition have described 30 June as a decisive day, one that will put an end to the “rule of the Supreme Guide of the Brotherhood.” Some Islamic preachers have meanwhile said that joining protests to call for Morsy's ouster is forbidden, that defying Morsy's rule is an act of disbelief and that this rebellion would be a rebellion against Islam and the Islamic project.

The current state of affairs points to the likelihood of clashes on 30 June, particularly with the police not quite back on its feet even if we hear that the state of preparedness has been heightened and plans are in place for the demonstrations. It remains worrying that the police have not coordinated efforts with the military to contain outbreaks of violence nor has it specified places for the opposition's protests and others for pro-regime rallies, which warns of confrontation if saboteurs infiltrate the charged crowds.

http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/30-june-crisis-doorstep

http://news.yahoo.com/egypts-military-moves-troops-near-cities-182513271.html

Egypt's military on Wednesday brought in reinforcements of troops and armor to bases near Egyptian cities ahead of weekend protests planned by the opposition to try to force the Islamist president out.
15 Million have signed a petition calling Morsi to go home.
In my opinion - the 30th of June can be the second revolution in Egypt.
I don't know if Abu sina will be their, i do know that million will be.
MORSI GO HOME. MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD GO TO HELL.

 

Food is scarce and expensive.
Energy is scarce and expensive.
The MB acts like the KGB.

Morsi does nothing.

You expect tranquility?

 

We all hope so.
I have asked Abu on a few threads as to what changed his opinion regarding President Morsi. He had backed him previously. Never got an answer.

 

Too bad no one is arming the Egyptian people to overthrow the Talmu-"Muslim" Brotherhood gurus of oppression.

 

Ivan...I certainly respect a persons opinion and right to believe what they will...but do you really think that the Israel is directing and creating problems and oppression in every single nation that is having such problems? LOL!

I mean...after reading your posts blaming Israel or Jews in general for everything short of Bad Weather...it tends to start sounding ridiculous.

Now I really want you to tell me how either Israel or Jews in general are creating the problems in Egypt...if you don't mind detailing this for me?

AboveAlpha

 

48 hours countdown.
Millions are excpected in the streets.
Revolution !! a period of time to be remembered in History !!!
Morsi go home !!

 

Wait ! they revolted against Mubarak asking for democracy and now they want to overthrow their democratically elected government because they don't agree with the outcome?
What the hell is this? if you don't like the government vote different next time , this is how democracy work , if you don't respect the outcome of the elections then you do not believe in democracy and you shouldn't be allowed to participate in elections.

 

I never saw your posts.

As I always said all along I was never a Morsi supporter or one from the MB. I said this from before any elections.
If you remember I voted first for Coptic christian Saweiris in election then Abu El Fotouh moderate islamist.

I voted then Morsi against Shafik because I did not want to see Mubaraks man who currently has 1/2 billion US $$$$$ stolen from sale of 10 Egyptair aircraft sales.

I never supported at any time El Baradei the cuckoo clock or Sabahi and definitely not Amr Mussa. You can check back all my posts from 2 years ago.

I said Morsi was elected and to give him a chance. From day one the opposition did not give him a chance and every Friday called strikes and protests. This harmed our economy badly. Kept away tourism and we then got caught up in the war between Qatar and Saudi as to what side to choose. Too many hands in the pot then.
Pledges from Saudi that never materialised UNTIL the Giza Shia killing. Then suddenly the cheque is written.

Too many other things to mention here.

The opposition refused every meeting and dialogue with Morsi which was stupid.

Dialogue is what was needed. I know you will say but he didn't listen BUT how did they know that IF THEY DID NOT GO?

So he was left to appoint and he appointed who he chose and we have to deal with that fact.

The turning point for me was the stadium speech by Saudi cleric.
Days later the Shia murders caused by that speech.

It's time for him to go and as I said long time ago.

The army should have stayed until we had constitution.....then elections........then president.

I supported the army and this formulation. I think I was the only one supporting the army here and took daily abuse for it here.

This is the result.

Army has to retake power from Morsi. He had his chance and it was in a way good he did because now we know Egypt will never accept any flavour of so called Religious freaks in power.

Army needs to take over then re write dostour then elections for house and shura THEN president and I HOPE that the new President is of the type like Ecuador who stands up to US pressure and threats and blackmail.

Mayerling who would you vote as next president?

You did not want Morsi BUT who did you have in mind to be in that chair? and two years on and the opposition still from what I see have no clue who will sit in that chair just like before .................

 

This is what I said BUT to have that you need solid foundations in place and total cleansing of institutions BUT Mubarak era figures are all still in place and every time Morsi tries to oust them the opposition refuse.

We cannot have democracy without ousting filool from all quarters.

We also cannot accept ousting them then putting Wahabi freaks in their place.

 

And to think our communists want the same for us

The most prominent Muslim scholar of the 20th century, Sheikh Abu Ala Maududi, stated in his book, Islamic Law and Constitution, on p. 262, that the Islamic State “seeks to mould every aspect of life and activity. In such a state no one can regard any field of his affairs as personal and private. Considered from this aspect the Islamic State bears a kind of resemblance to the Fascist and Communist states.” Maududi added “Islam wishes to destroy all states and governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and program of Islam.”

The Chief Justice of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh abdullah bin Muhammad bin Humaid teaches that "at first fighting was forbidden, then it was permitted, and after that it was made obligatory." He clearly identifies two groups Muslims are obligated to fight: "(1) they who start fighting against Muslims, and (2) they who worship gods other than Allah."

The Saudi Sheikh Saleh Al-Lehadan, head of the Supreme Judiciary Council, told Al Watan Daily, (March 25, 200 “After getting rid of the Jews in our Arab land, we must turn to the Christians. They have three options: either they convert to Islam, or leave, or pay Jizia (protection taxes).”

 

One very important thing is this and you can bookmark this if you like for future.

Whatever comes next MUST make some peace with the MB and to include them in all decision making processes. Hopefully if the opposition learn anything from this is to be united and stop being so crazy and thinking of only themselves. That way they will be united and strong and majority. In the end they will have enough votes to pass whatever laws etc and MB etc will also have a say but not enough votes.

Because to totally isolate them like before!!! (and you can bet there are too many hands and mouths right now hoping for this to happen!!) will be a huge mistake and they will come back even more crazy.

Al Azhar needs to step in now and take over complete control of Religious institutions and Imams and speeches.
They need to fight back this Saudi Wahabi cancer that is flowing over Egypt. They need to be more strong and vocal but this is also hard considering the US supports these madmen and terrorists!! It's not so simple is it?......................

Saudi hate channels should be closed down and that also includes the Coptic ones!

10 years ago before these Saudi clerics started polluting our land we never had this phenomena before.

We need to be cleansed of that too.

 

Morsi is new to the position and as far as i get it the institutions are not yet there but they will do if you give it some time. Those things are slow even in much older and far more experienced democracies ( took like 30 years for EU to start policing their banksters) , showing impatience through riots is the wrong way to spread your message . You can protest and sign petitions on stuff everyone agrees like let's say the reformation of police .
Politics in a country with 84 million people can be very complex , trying to set government's priorities straight can be done in ways that do not destabilise them

A very nice post to display your ignorance over fascism and communism .
Fascism is the most statist regime in the political spectrum and communism does not destroy states but evolves out of them.

 

The institutions are all there. The problem is who is head of them. Not only head because if you change the head and leave the tail you cannot as the new head make any changes. They need to be totally purged.

The Egyptian revolution was peaceful, that was the motto. It only became violent when the thugs and filool started because they saw the collapse of their empire. Egyptians are actually very peaceful and patient nation. We are known for this. BUT we can be pushed beyond limits like anyone but the 30th is planned to be peaceful. Outside agitators like here and in media cause many problems along with filool and just plain thugs and opportunists.
No normal Egyptian goes out looking for trouble.

 

Notice the different colored text? They were the words of a person Muslims claim to be one of their most predominate scholars. He believes Islam is about destroying the nation state and making the whole world Islamic, which represents a hybrid commi/ fascist state.

As for your comment about communism evolving, hows that worked out for the 100 million or so dead due to the stinking ideology and the fascist govts evolving from them? For your viewing pleasure - someone who argues fascism as a natural response to communism. The Nazi party rose to power thanks to the Bolshevik revolutions and communism/ Marxism stinking up its country. Its of your own making - hence we see extreme RW groups growing in response to Europe's hyper-socialism, no border, cultural Marxist, commi ways.

Communism Leads to Fascism
[video=youtube;zwZHvwCBAns]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwZHvwCBAns[/video]

 

You expect from an islamist to be educated ? oh come on they only study their stupid books and think they know everything.

Although your assumptions about fascism , communism and Europe are amusing i would advise to stop embarrassing yourself , obviously "your opinion" is not really an opinion but what you have see on TV .

 

Typical LW floggery, brown people are now less intelligent so their scholarly opinions of the their own religious and political movement count for naught.

Many have seen enough of communists eating their dead children on TV to understand where your sick collectivist ideology leads. Fortunately i wasnt alive when leftist utopia was in full swing since gulags weren't much better than having your starved dead corpse eaten, but yes TV does serve to remind some of us of its complete and utter failure.

 

When the so called " democratically elected " leader heads up an Islamic fascist state then the people have no choice but to go out on the streets and call for a vote of no confidence in said govt.
Americans would do the same if their constitution and democracy were at stake.

 

"And to think our communists want the same for us"

Taxcutter says:
Sure does look that way. But at least the Mississippi is in no danger of drying up.

 

Scholarly opinions about a 6th century book written by a merchant in correlation with political theories of 19th century? yeah right ... LOL , they know as much about political theory as i know about the koran ( i have read a couple of chapters ) .
Double LOL for trying to accuse an internationalist communist for racial discrimination HA HA HA .

And a reputation point for amusing me with your political ignorance

 

First of all, Abu, everyone is allowed to change their opinion. I was just interested in what your turning point was.
Second of all, I fear religious tyranny more than a military state so I would have voted for the former military man who was Shafik--- at least I think he would have had your military at his back and perhaps as a balance. I agree that the choice was limited but that would have been my choice and the reason for such a choice. If you look at history, once a religious tyrant is in place it is very difficult to get rid of him ( or in this case them---MB).
Third, I agree with you about your military. god bless them
Here is hoping for the best for this beautiful country. I miss that spontaneous egyptian smile.
And I hope that rest of the world stays out of egyptian domestic affairs.
I have had 2 us diplomats tell me that egypt is important to the USA for two reasons only:
The security of Israel and access to Suez.
This is egypt's battle and screw the self interest of any other nation.

 

The world got by just fine without the Suez Canal between 1967 and 1974.

 

I am just saying what I was told.

 

Earthquake feeling in Tahrir and Talaat Harb

Ground is literally moving to 'Morsi you are no longer our president'

 

You should examine what you are told.

Even before 1967, supertankers were too big to transit the Suez Canal.

The Suez Canal is still useful, but not as much as it was prior to the Second World War.

 

army helicopters now back flying over Media City and area