El Nino not Affected by AGW

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  1. Windigo

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    More Warmmonger hyperbole and pure speculation bites the dust. A new paper in GRL concludes that El Nino variations are occurring naturally and are acting in the opposite of what climate models predict.

    http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2011/2011GL048275.shtml

     
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    I wasn't aware that most climate models projected any changes to ENSO. Perhaps a few do. The paper does indicate ENSO hasn't been trending in any direction, which means ENSO can't explain the rapid global warming of the last 40 years. Another denialist claim bites the dust.
     
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    The step change issue doesn't have anything to do with the magnitude of the ENSOs. Nice try though. I don’t know how the step change issue will play out but it is hard to ignore that global warming is actually a series of step changes that coincide with ENSO's.
     
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    ENSO isn't responsible for recent warming. If anything, it counter-acted even more warming. Your cited study is further evidence of that. Thanks for playing.
     
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    No, I'd say that the step change argument has to do with the ENSO cycle leaving excess heat in the atmosphere. That is independent of the magnitude of the cycle. Less intense ENSO's would still lead to warming if the ENSO cycle leaves excess heat in the atmosphere. But you are entitled to your opinion. Like I said I'm in a wait and see holding pattern on the ENSO driven warming issue but the correlation between the steps is hard to ignore.
     
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    Your junk science is actually quite alarming. Even if ENSO is trending downard as it has been for 30+ years, as long as el Ninos exist, the Earth will keep warming until it turns into Venus and the tropical Pacific no longer exists. Scary proposition. Thankfully, it's denier idiocy.
     
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    Like I said I'm neither here nor there on it yet. But your analysis is flawed that you think said trend will continue to infinity. It could just be cyclical perhaps tied to the phase of the PDO or cloud cover due to cosmic rays.

    P.S. I love how your standards for proof change with the winds. One minute you are spouting pure hyperbole the next you are demanding absolute proof on something that is in its infancy. Your approach to science is appalling.
     
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    El Ninos have existed throughout the instrumental and paleo record. I'm just taking your junk argument to its logical extension.

    Actually, a bit of robust evidence might be a start. Looking a graph, drawing little lines, and yelling "el Nino step change" on a blog doesn't suffice. Your approach to science is disturbing. Might have been an interesting hypothesis 100 years ago, when climate science was in its infancy and observations weren't sufficient.
     
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    Nice strawman!

    Who did you think you would impress with this?
     
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    And where does ENSO get this excess heat that it leaves in the atmosphere?
     
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    The Three Stooges wander into another thread...
     
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    Well that was informative! :roll:
     
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    Where does the ENSO get the heat that it puts in the atmosphere in the first place?
     
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    I asked you first.
     
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    You know the answer to your own question.
     
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    As do you. That is why you will not answer it.
     
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    I wont answer it because you demand is stupid. You are arguing that the ENSO doesn't move energy to the atmosphere. Its stupid.
     
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    Extreme world weather fueled by global warming and El Nino...
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    Global Warming, El Niño Combine to Fuel Extreme World Weather
    January 08, 2016 - A series of weather disasters has shaken the world in recent weeks, with deadly floods in the United States and Britain adding to ongoing droughts in Brazil, South Africa and India.
     
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    Yet despite all this global warming over all these decades the present El Nino has peaked with a multivariate ENSO index below 82 and 97

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    How is this possible? Warmmongers are desperate to link the ENSO and AGW but they keep falling flat on their faces.
     
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    why is there a polar vortex still happening?
     

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