Elon Musk proposals to end the war in Ukraine

If nothing else, it's demographics and logistics that make some kind of 'realignment' for the Donbass provinces of Luhansk and Donetsk inevitable. And, although my 'sources' of information could be wrong, I'm told that as much as we may wish it, Putin is pretty solidly in control of Russia; moreover, he is the kind of militant autocrat who would use nuclear weapons to intimidate us in 'the West'. The prevailing belief among some is that Putin and Xi Jinping learned a LOT from watching how we in 'the West' handled the withdrawal from Afghanistan, and now they're both acting to achieve long-held goals.

But Kherson and Zaporizhzhia must remain as part of Ukraine or else Russia will have that 'land-bridge' that goes all the way from Donbass through Crimea. And from there, it would be all too easy to project power and control westward to include all the rest of Ukraine (including Odesa) which borders the Black Sea. With that under Russian control, further linkage with the pro-Russian provincial government in Transnistria could occur automatically, and it would be possible for all of Moldova to become a Russian 'satellite', too. Briefly, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia are two 'dominos' that must not fall if Ukraine is to survive as "Ukraine"....

In a very real sense, the Donbass was essentially lost to the Kiev government back in 2014, so, it's not like their 'breakaway' is anything new -- but for logistical and economic reasons, Kiev must not lose Kherson and 'Zapo', or they're screwed.... "Just sayin'...."









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This is more, than enough. The rest you can find yourself in Internet.

 

Not conclusive....anyone can say anything.

 

It is not about saying. It is about doing.

 

Ohh...it's about..."doing"??

OK...where's proof of this "doing"?

 

Stop allowing yourself to be gaslighted.

 

Up until this year, it has not been either US or NATO foreign policy to threaten regime change for Russia. Nor have we promised to protect every country in the world from invasion, whether they have a defense treaty or not. Now there are things worth fighting for, and things that are not worth fighting for, and discerning which is which requires discernment and prudence.....or you can just call me a coward because I'm not willing to play nuclear chicken with a desperate Russian leadership.

 

OK so why are you asking about how we threatened regime change when you clearly support regime change?

Here is where we threatened it.

Biden’s Putin remark pushes U.S.-Russia relations closer to collapse

President Biden’s declaration that Russian leader Vladimir Putin “cannot remain in power” threatens to push deeply strained U.S.-Russia relations closer to collapse, former officials and analysts said, with potentially serious implications for Washington’s ability to help steer the war in Ukraine to an end and avoid a wider conflict.

No why would Putin feel threatened by the West? A doggone mystery..

 

Watch the video.

 

Not quite sure what do you mean.

 

It means you're basing your views on misinformation.

 

Yeah...I watched...so???

Like I said....provide proof...viska!

 

That's what that account is about....tries to play the good cop/bad cop at the same time.

 

It is a proof. If you think that trying to shake a hand of someone invisible is fine, or asking a dead congresswoman is ok, than something wrong is with you.

 

So you mean that the person in videos is not the President of the US? Or what?

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-war-in-ukraine.604365/page-4#post-1073768565

I'll leave it at that.

 

No it's not...unless there's actual video footage of the pipes being destroyed...by the US as claimed....it's all pure speculation.

 

This entire debate over whodunit is precisely why the Russians did it, of course. They want the western alliance divided and they're using that silly Biden quote to try and fool people in Europe into believing that we did it. Obviously that act of sabotage serves Russia's purposes far more than ours, especially the way it was done (there's no denying that it was sabotage, after all, but right now no one can make a positive attribution due to lack of available evidence). It's also a desperate move by a power that is losing this war and facing a growing internal crisis because of that.

 

What did you smoke today zoom? Or you have just arrived from UFO forum from the moon?

 

Uhhh...well I'm a non smoker....so no dice there...viska.

Why...do you believe in UFOs?

I think we have one....it's at Area 51....I tried getting close...but some tough looking dudes pointed rifles at me....dunno why?

 

And you are connecting these issues WHY? Because you believe deployment of military assets on our southern border, would solve the problem? What about our thousands of miles of coastline? Or what about our, even longer, northern border? Are you under the impression that the coyotes who bring illegal immigrants over the border, would be unable to fly them into the Canadian wilderness, to cross from there?

If you are so concerned about this influx of migrants, I have good news for you: the way to completely diffuse the problem is both available, and KNOWN. Immigrants come here to make MONEY. If they can't WORK, they can't do that, and for most, their central reason-- not to mention a required condition, for those who emigrate, primarily for any other reason-- for coming, disappears. So, all that anyone, who is REALLY serious about addressing illegal immigration, need do, is CRACK DOWN ON THOSE WHO HIRE UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS. This is absolutely possible to do, if the government were to get more involved in certifying all workers. And best part: no troops or military equipment required!


Your welcome.

 

The obvious answer, that you inexplicably seem unable to see, lies in the sequence of events. To wit: 1) we were not threatening Putin with regime change. 2) Then, Putin broke international law with this naked and horrific invasion. 3) Then he began his utterly unacceptable, nuclear saber rattling. 4) And yes, #2 + #3 make it reasonable, at this point, to be in favor of Russian regime change. You, however, are trying to use #4, to justify numbers 2 and 3! WTF?

You will be happy to know (for the sake of your clearly favored leader, Putin) that our Administration is not so extreme, as myself, in its views, and is resolved to deal with Putin, as long as necessary, while only hoping for Russians to change leadership, themselves.

 

Interesting about that sequence of events.

1. Russia invades Ukraine

Then you claim he began his nuclear saber rattling

Then, Biden threatens regime change. However that article is dated March 27 of this year. When did Putin begin waving his nukes? Was it before we threatened regime change or after? I don't actually know but you claim that Putin's threat was first. When did Putin first threaten to use nukes?

Anyway the post I responded to from you was you denying that we threatened Putin with Regime change. Can you at least admit you were wrong about that?

 

Have you seen the villages in the east, which Ukraine has recently liberated? I feel your analysis, that demographics fate that region to be part of Russia, is too removed from reality, to be accurate. Take a look at this brief Twitter video, from a Ukranian soldier.

https://twitter.com/I566upeJujnowNm/status/1577373643952242688?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

The notion that any of the people who have been suffering under Russian control, would choose Russia, is beyond belief. Naturally, however, Russia has killed, and deported many of the residents, and brought in Russians to take their place (an old Soviet strategy; also once used in Crimea). But it is short-sighted, to allow any nation to benefit from such tactics. The world must react in a way that deters this mode of behavior, not encourages it.

Though I don't feel I should need to point this out, but if Putin were to only acquire a piece of his goal-- as you seem resigned to giving him, while stressing the importance of not letting him have the rest-- he would assuredly be back for the rest, in the future. If we cannot stop him now when he is getting his ass kicked, and our allies are united against him, the chances of stopping some future land grab, are nil.

You realize that Putin cannot be trusted to adhere to any agreement, don't you?

 

No, these do not prove mental incompetence. Gaffes are 1) common in politics, 2) have been a known component of Biden's "package," his entire career, and 3) were just laughed off, by the Right, when Trump frequently made, and currently makes, them. I can come up with much more likely scenarios, than that he believed he was shaking hands with someone who wasn't there. He could have only been gesturing at first and, when he did it again, with a pointed index finger, after he'd turned his back to the podium, he was clearly signalling to ask, "is this the direction I'm supposed to take, to exit the stage? This is because, these things are not just spontaneous, but intricately planned out, for security reasons. Being unsure, in some given instance, what the approved exit path was, is once more, no reason to doubt the President's faculties.

I only pray someone like you, who is so quick to leap to unwarranted diagnoses, is not in the mental health field.