How to achieve peace in Ukraine ?: Need an online survey of citizens of Ukraine on the "Chechen variant". that want the activists of Ukraine: To Donbass remained in Ukraine that wants Putin: "Chechen variant", that is, the same. that wants Poroshenko: unlimited power in the Donbass in Ukraine: "Not as in Chechnya. Ukraine "contract" without Russia. Russian authorities can help those that withdraw from the Donbass "troops" and close the border. "If the growth of the conflict continues, I am ready to declare martial law in the country" www.rosbalt.ru/ukraina/2015/02/05/1365049.html that want separatists: guarantees "In Chechnya, Russia fought against the terrorists, and we have not terrorists, we are fighting against the population. Genocide on our territory from Kiev goes, it's not that taken by Russia in Chechnya" (Vice-Speaker Dennis Pushilin DNR) . www.rosbalt.ru/ukraina/2015/02/05/1365049.html that wants the people of Ukraine: peace i.e. first world, then disarmament, rather than suppression, first, and then the world. i.e. Referendum: "for / against" Chechen variant "" "Chechen variant" for Ukraine: "Separatists buy for the money and autonomy" (Putin) First, warranties and understandings, in t h: - The withdrawal of "foreign" troops, disarmament, and entering the Ukrainian troops. Disarmament - with OSCE observers. - On the post-war Donbass, This option will suit Putin and most of the local militia, and especially local residents. In Chechnya, were first talks with collaborators, then the deployment of Russian troops withdrawal "irreconcilable". For Kiev "Chechen variant" will cost much cheaper than at the time Moscow. Donbass much richer Chechnya. Restoration of the Donbass not fall on Kiev a heavy burden, as Chechnya in Moscow. So this will be the main board Donetsk right to live as they please. Those who are now on the first cast, in this scenario expects an unenviable fate. Zakharchenko will be presented to the future leader prokievskih collaborators women of Ukraine as a gift for March 8. So laments environment Girkin on "New Russia drain" are not groundless From a passionate speech "Bata" (warlord Paul Dremova): "In the arena - the same area ... The prosecutor was previously regional prosecutor, Deputy Interior Minister, terrible to say, two weeks ago was an assistant manager ATO Ukraine". In other words, the leadership of the LC is filled with local analogue zavgaevtsev and Cossacks, who stood at the beginning of the rebellion antikievskogo, stood in opposition to them. The very next day, was killed the chief of staff of the 4th Brigade LC Alexander poor (Batman), and a few days later disarmed battalion MGB LC "Odessa". On the one hand it reminded me of the events of two decades ago - the confrontation in Grozny, Shamil Basayev and Ruslan Labazanov and on the other - is here and a curious contrast. Detachment Thunder "irreconcilable" was not prokievskim. In the interest of the new leadership of the breakaway republic, formed from the old cadres, operated group, which was subject to the officer of the Internal Troops of the Interior Ministry Eugene Wagner. In November 2014 Merkel was shocked by Vladimir Putin's proposal to resolve the situation in the east of Ukraine "on the Chechen variant" - in Brisbane If Angela Merkel did not pursed her lips in disgust and vowed to reduce the pressure on Russia (make, for example, "Putin's friends" re-entrance in Europe), "Chechen scenario" is already in full would be gaining momentum in the Donbas. http://www.rosbalt.ru/ukraina/2015/02/04/1364590.html Chechens now - most vehement supporters of Russia About petty vanity: Nelson Mandela became president of South Africa, not avenged white minority. For a man who has spent half his life in prison, it was a moral feat, and many supporters expected him otherwise. But the country to avoid a bloodbath and economic collapse. Too many people on both sides of the fence do not want to compromise their own and unconditional victory. Do not exchange hands with the enemy and throw him on his knees and poke face in the dirt. "We took it, even though the snout in the blood" - the logic of barbarism. Should not seek to win at any cost, and to the maximum results with minimum costs. http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/blogs/2014/09/140917_blog_krechetnikov_donbass_compromise.shtml Nobody wants to go on a real compromise in Ukraine. nor Poroshenko nor Yatsenyuk not want to give any political status militia ... They are very much afraid of the people, a third of the Maidan ... http://nv.ua/publications/ukraina-n...ssiey-amerikanskiy-voennyy-ekspert-33106.html Ukraine does not intend to enroll, despite the fact that it had signed a contract. between Kiev and Moscow, was the second protocol was signed on September 19, where there was a map of control between APU and militias. According to this map, Ukraine would give them the Donetsk airport and territories that Ukraine is not going to ever give. http://nv.ua/publications/ukraina-n...ssiey-amerikanskiy-voennyy-ekspert-33106.html Kiev truth is not too favorable: I posted a copy of the same thing here, and nothing but the fact that here - on the Ukrainian forums. But all is not pro-Russian forums its removed, except 2 forums - "lightning rod" for which there is no view: Censor.net.ua, and Protiwseh.at.ua: "The date and time of release - 20.6.2042», ukrpolitforum.com "You can not view the forum», board.lutsk.ua "Takoї those chi dopisi not іsnuє." forum.te.ua "Date unlock: Never» nowa.cc "The message does not carry the semantic load» forumua.org "Trolling in watered. Topic »forumkiev.com Kiev to Europe is not moving - in Ukraine there is no freedom of speech. Kiev cheats and their activists and Europeans. Why Putin "Merges Novorossia"?: - Sanctions take effect, Intelligence agencies Putin finally may have learned to model - see the possibility of "Russian Maydan". Therefore offer a "Chechen variant". And do not "go too far", "To drive the bear in the corner," as the Russian - if Putin goes, the worse the governor may come of it. But Poroshenko feels unconditional support of the West, and capricious, not a compromise. That is, in this situation it is necessary to push for a compromise already - it. Matrix: Who's Who in the Donbass - Number of fighters: It is necessary to require intelligence (Example), and when the truth will not give Kiev - interview via the Internet - with the help of the Western media: Commander Groups Can agree on that - now "Chechen variant" 1 "Chechen variant" 2 External DNI, LC - without recognition Conquest Ukraine - only to Kiev Putin FSB RF 10% - - - ? Russian "volunteers" 1 - 20% - - ? Russian "volunteers" 2 - - 10% - ? Collaborators 1 20% - - - ? Collaborators 2 - 30% - - ? Irreconcilable 1 - - 10% - ? Irreconcilable 2 - - - 0% The arbitral tribunal: It is necessary to start servers on the western non-governmental disassembly: It is necessary to state a claim, not counting encountered during military escalation: For Example: Donetsk from Russian Ukrainians: "We wanted independence" - elaborated independent political system, and so forth. From the Ukrainians to the Russian: "We wanted to" United Ukraine "" - Narrow the boundaries of this concept. "And he called him, and wrote on the monuments." If this proposal is the right to live, then: 1. Share it, please. 2. Place the survey - on the western servers. Donbass valuable for the West - as: 1. Showcase democracy, with a small and cheap, 2. Democratic entrance to the Russian world, 3. "Polygon" peaceful technology. Project "Ukrainian Holland" Most free and progressive in history have usually been - the disputed area between empires, if they were not fighting.
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No. Russia is upgrading their nukes several years before the west. Several thousand 21st century nukes + Russian blind anger at Ukraine = Stay out of it.
This is a skirmish between two factions in Ukraine, so just let them get on with it and sort it out between themselves. If they can't then they can petition for diplomatic arbitration from the world community in the proper way, through the UN. Let's not turn it into another 'Russia' thing.
