England STILL Can't Handle a Bit of Snow

This is just repetition of ignorance! There are opportunity costs from "prioritizing winter weather preparedness" and its silly to suggest otherwise.

Obviously

When I'm the emperor of england with access to all business data I'll get back to you. By the way, you best brush up on your knowledge of who owns the airport. If you're going to go for a dull as dishwater argument, at least be accurate in the greyness

 

I never suggested otherwise.. I'm asking you what the cost is.

So what's the number of floods vs. snowfalls?

Or should I assume you also don't know because you're not the emperor and so are making up yet another claim.

Who did I claim owns the airport?

And yes, do get back to me as soon as you have the figures required to support your argument.

 

Don't fib now, that's a boring tactic. You said flood defence investment was a red herring. It clearly isn't. Flooding is a much bigger problem for Britain. Perhaps you need to teach yourself what 'opportunity costs' mean?

Look it up! Can you show that snowfalls are a regular feature? Of course not. You've made an inane error and now you're trying to bore me with low powered tactic.

You referred to British Airways. They wouldn't make the investments to keep the airport open. BAA!

Anyways, I've destroyed your silliness and you're boring me. Bye!

 

No problem.. Just leave the questions that have you stumped and feign victory.

Bye!

 

Or even Scotland.

It was all costed out, to see how much it would be to be like Iceland or Finland, one of those.

The cost was massive, and unlike there, it is possible to go years here, with v little snow.

It would be using a sledghammer to crack an occasional walnut.

As to flights being cancelled, I don't see that as a sign of a nation's people being 'wimpy', but of common sense.

 

Are costs to stranded passengers factored in when they work it out? I highly doubt it.. It's just their own bottom line they give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about.

But I'd want to know what the costs worked out to... How much does it cost to salt a few runways?

If what you are saying is true, then fine.. But SAY SO. Be honest with the people.. Tell them, this is how it's going to be when we get "severe" winter weather.. It'll cost too much to prepare.

Don't sit here and LIE and bull(*)(*)(*)(*) claiming you're going to sort the problem when you are CLEARLY not. False advertising as far as I'm concerned and what if someone would have otherwise took a train, or traveled at a different time, but thought the airline was sincere and so bought a ticket and is now sleeping on the floor?

 

It has been costed out v the frequency.

To have what countries like Iceland may have, is entirely silly, in relation to frequency.

I have no idea what a private airline does to compensate a customer. I would imagine it is on their T&C when they book, probably a refund, or they get on the next possible flight.

No big thing..

 

Again, I need to know the cost. Less frequency means you need less salt on hand.. People keep claiming the cost to salt a couple runways is not viable but I'm skeptical of this.

As for "no big thing" have you ever been stranded?

 

Yeah. Six years ago I had to delay flying for two days, due to snow.

I figured this was better than the pilot taking the risk of flying at risk to the people on the plane.

Following many years of counselling, I am glad to say I have fully recovered.

I don't know the precise costs. It was years ago I looked at this, and saw for myself that there is no use spending huge amounts of money on the least likely weather.

If you need to know, you could use Google?

 

LMAO; this was a truly clever quip!

Oh believe me I checked.. I almost always look into the facts and do fact checking before I respond about something, to find out if their premise is good enough. Find out if my skepticizm is worthwhile or not. When I can't find out, on account of not finding the info, that's when I ask where they got their info because they ought to know because they made a claim about it.

And I couldn't find the numbers.

 

OH ! (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) ! we're beaten,


Paris cancels , 40 percent of inbound and outbound flights


Upcoming cold snaps and heavy snow are expected disrupt flights in both airports of Charles-de-Gaulle and Orly on Sunday, according to the Paris airport authority ADP.

Following a wave of freezing weather at the airports in Paris are expected to be canceled, according to ADP, which advised passengers to check the revised timetable before boarding.

French civil aviation authority DGAC also suggested airlines to reduce their flights on Sunday from 06:00 am local time (0700 GMT).

French weather agency Meteo France has put 55 departments, including the Ile-de-France (Paris and its suburb), under orange alert and decided to maintain the alert system in these areas till Sunday

 

Are they allowed to use salt in Europe, or is it chemicals they are not allowed to use? I know the chemicals being used in NYS have been killing the bushes near the roads. As for the airports, whatever losses they encounter because of the snow, will be covered by the insurance companies. If the rates become too costly, then the airlines will have to invest in snow clearing equipment.

Anyway the weather is becoming erratic and that does not bode well for the world. As for the natural disasters in the U.S., you haven't seen nothin yet. If there was ever a repeat of the earthquake we had in the early 19th century, the destruction would be catastrophic. At that time, the population was very sparce, and today there are quite a few cities in the area. The Mississippi river actually began to flow backwards.

 

Montreal recently received 45cm of snow in one day. The cost of cleaning that up was $25m Canadian and took a week. The total budget for the year is $140 and I believe the roads are cleared after every snowfall exceeding 10cm.

The original costs must have been enormous, considering that hundreds or even thousands of snowploughs were purchased and have to be replaced on a regular basis.

To expect the same attention to be given to England borders on the ridiculous, especially when not even one snowfall of significance can be predicted months in advance.

In Canada we KNOW we are in for it annually. In England there is no certainty at all.

 

Doesn't matter how much or how little snow there was. Flights were canceled for safety reasons, and the passengers just have to suck it up and deal with it.

 

It's a mess across the pond...

EU hit by blizzards, air traffic havoc, deaths
Mon, Jan 21, 2013 - Extreme winter weather swept across western Europe on Saturday, leaving thousands of passengers stranded at London’s main international airport and claiming several lives in Spain, Portugal, Scotland and France, including those of three Mali-bound soldiers.

 

Well yeah, but the point of the OP was that England can't even handle something that's just above a light frosting.

At least Californians have nice teeth.

 

BTW readers I like that post because that is exactly what I meant with the thread, but I don't support or condone the bit about the teeth.

US hillbillies still hold the record in this department.

 

All of this. You have to let the professionaly qualified make the judgement call on this. If they believe there is a risk to passengers, that is the most important thing.

 

I have read every post on this thread, and you guys have been extremely thoughtful and had some good things to say and I appreciate it.

The main point I raised about why this should cause irritation, has not been addressed by anyone.

What I'm saying is, each time these things happen, in order to reassure people, they claim that they WILL put ALL necessary measures into place, and do the spending required, to avoid these kinds of "severe" winter weather events from causing disruption. These statements come from the airlines, the airports, and even MP's and cabinet ministers in the House of Commons.

And yet each time they get a "severe" winter weather event, disruption is caused.

Now I understand the point about based on their weather, they shouldn't make these expenditures. But why aren't they saying this?

How does that cause the need to lie? Why can't they tell the truth, and say that they feel the weather in their country is not consistently severe enough to warrant these necessary investments, and therefore, in the rare occasions when they do occur, they are going to have severe disruption?

What's the point of saying you're going to sort the problem when you're not? And if British Airways who also promised they would sort the problem, are now stranding passengers, shouldn't they be condemned for false advertising?

 

+40 degC temperatures with bushfires or a dusting of snow. Take your pick.

 

Depends.

Is it 'terrorist snow'?

 

I agree, it's an absurd state of affairs. Seems that our Scandinavian neighbours can comfortably cope with many feet of snow, and life goes on there as usual; but here, a couple of inches and it's like 'The Day After Tomorrow'!

 

Heathrow is the busiest airport in Europe, despite having only two runways. The takeoff and landing separation between planes is less than a minute. On a clear day, you can stand under the flightpath and see five or six planes in a line coming in to land. They come in on instruments in bad weather, but once on the ground, there's no time to creep along the runway looking for the exit in reduced visibility. Separation time is doubled for safety, and there go half the flights, diverted to other airports. With half the arrivals missing, departures rapidly stacks up....and so it goes.

 

Perhaps the fitting of winter tyres, (something I had never heard of before emigrating) might solve a lot of problems. Then a couple of inches of snow would be dealt with by most responsible drivers.

 

Well, coming from someone who's speculated that Jews might be a different species, your comment may have hit the irony jackpot.

Get over yourself, Jack. Early on, I got called a "drunk Canadian" and I didn't care. I'm in the US now, and I keep hearing how stupid, evil, and violent we are. But someone comments on the dental hygene of the British, and you get your knickers in a twist. Double-standard much?

Oh, and Happy Fun Dude: You won't find many Hillbillies in California; they're mostly in the Arkansas area and thereabouts.



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