Not gonna bother, you have zero arguments why we need the EU, none of what the EU does cannot be achieved with bilateral agreements and common sense.
While I'm in favour of keeping the EU, but reducing its scope and authority of member states, I'm in complete agreement. Japor has offered nothing in defence of the EU.
It prevents wars between members and won't take dictatorships. That is a huge step forward for Europe.
This uninformed comment shows how out of touch you are, Mick. No one can afford vinegar in UK these days. As Janpor would tell you, people can't afford air. British pions? Is this a new word we're forming? Is that like Europeans? I quite like that. Britishpions Europeans. European Britishpeans. The City will not be writing labour laws, btw. The people are about to revolt in UK. I predict before Christmas, although we prefer to revolt in summer, it's more pleasant. I don't bother with the tech side of things, as the resident techie has all of these issues well under control, but I call various people when we are away and we always text...no problems arise there other than being out of reach for reception when the big boat is at sea. Which I think is an outrage, they should arrange a boost signal just for me. ahem...I'll keep quiet. Despite the jibe at Mikezilla, Scottish people are not known for avoiding a drink. I agree with this, but it's got to be equally effective but much less risky regarding finances. They need to find another way to achieve these things. Another common interest with international appeal to use as a front. ...Can't they use FIFA as an excuse to get together and prevent wars, but without costing us all this money? FIFA is allegedly a den of corruption and bribery, but it can't be anything like as bad as the EU. (calm down Janpor)
Dont need the EU for this, even without the EGC etc etc war would be very unlikely. Germany lost its sting, UK France lost theirs long ago.
It never happened before the EU, and doesn't happen in the bits of Europe that are outside it. Modern wars are always the result of capitalist competition for markets or resources, and the EU restrains this piggery.
Rubbish, no EU nation is strong enough to take on the rest, WW2 crippled the idea that one nation can conquer Europe. Not to mention who will fight in that war? The average European is almost 40, kids to sacrifice are sparse. the entire reason wars existed was because of youth bulge, nothing more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_pyramid
Were the Croats, the Serbs, the Albanians etcetera interested in conquering Europe? Are the Russians interfering in the Balkans the product of a young society?
Actually all had a youth bulge None of that would have happened if they had a aging society without enough able young men to dispense.
Who would fight a war today? The 50 year olds? Germany and other EU nations do not have the population required to fight a full scale war and occupation of other nations, thanking the EU for not having wars is silly because it is plain wrong.
All these states are awash with unemployed teenagers, as you know. It is difficult for them even to get into an army. Until the EU there was constant war, and now there is not. Most people can see the obvious connection. You need to try harder.
It's a little simplistic to think that an independent country can only have EU labour laws or US labour laws. The idea that some how we need the EU to look after our interests is just silly. Bring it on! It was depressingly predictable to eurosceptics that Cameron wouldn't have a referendum on the EU and that the electorate would still fall for his ploy. Can't really blame them though; Cameron sounded so sincere. [Here he is in the biggest sellling daily newspaper in the country, peddling his faux euroscepticism before our last national election.] This sort of deceit has been going on for decades and I think it will eventually be the cause of civil war when politicians can no longer maintain the fiction that they are in any way acting in the public interest.
LOL! Fascist Daniel Hannan was the most important Conservative during the last European elections for the Conservatives.
First of all what makes you think Daniel Hannan is a fascist? And what is your point in saying this? Do you have something, or is this the stock europhile response when your arguments come up short? Nope.
I've stuffed up with calling him a fascist -- I realized that in the timeframe of being allowed to edit a post, but I chose not to. People make mistakes. I've mentioned him in the light of your comment. Referendum or not, you lot got Hannan -- that is quite sufficient. BTW -- Hannan is just *loved* in ultra-extreme-right circles in the USA and often appears on FoxNews.
OK, but most people when they make a "mistake", in which they groundlessly use nasty little insults, use the opportunity to correct themselves if they have the opportunity. You didn't which says a lot about you. I still don't know what you mean. How was Hannan's almost guaranteed election from the top of the europhile Conservative party's South East England MEP list relevant to my comment? The election of one MEP is hardly sufficient compensation for the lack of a referendum, especially when so many europhiles are elected on the back of Hannan's reputation. It doesn't even come anywhere near to being sufficient. I know how popular Hannan is in some circles. Whether Fox is ultra-right wing is debatable, but again, how is this relevant?
So you're telling me that within, say, a decade or so I can expect to see Britons exercise their (virtually non-existent) right to bear arms against the "Europhile" elite in London? ...
Uhm, I would have corrected if it were a factual mistake, not a poltical one. It's not like Hannan is that far removed of the extreme-right (= Neofascism). And, please, spare me your psychological assessment of my person. It's politics, especially in the Conservative party. They know very well that their country is of little meaning when placed outside the EU. The blow warm and cold air at the same time. Also, from all the reports and articles I'm reading -- it is my personal belief that an enormous push towards European integration will be organized in the next 2-5 years with a European wide referendum. And I mean a real referendum, not organized within national borders -- I mean an EU-wide referendum. So the Brits will be pushed into our dream of a Federal Europe nontheless. It's relevant to describe Mr. Hennan political compass, calling him a Fascist might have been a mistake, yet describing him as a Conservative scum comes pretty close.
