Europe is abandoning Trump on the world stage as it turns away from the US toward China

I liked Willy also. I always said he was the best Republican you guys ever picked. I feel that Trump is the best Democrat that the Republicans ever voted into office. Like you with Willy I have made a ton of money under Trump. That blip to the downside in March was one of the best things that happened for my portfolio. Rebalanced out of some long time positions and let me reinvest in some stocks I couldn't afford before. Those are the ones that got me back on top. Still have a strong cash position so when this next dip comes ( I think in June) I'll go ahead and put more money to work. Some of those stocks that were thrown out with the bath water are returning 60 and 70% in just a few weeks. Who would have thought you could make 78% in two weeks on a casino stock. Crazy but I'll take it. Grab the money and run. Stay Safe.

 

The poll your buddy linked to and you liked was conducted in Germany while your OP claims

• Recent polling suggests Europeans are turning away from the US under President Donald Trump's leadership.
  
  
• Public opinion toward America has declined in major European countries since the start of the coronavirus pandemic.

The poll does not support the OP assertion.

 

Who really cares? Big deal.

 

OMG are you purposefully misgendering, guy?

 

Many care - about our short and long term economic security. Don't you ?

 

Who cares about our Short/Long term economic security .. We can just invert in on ourselves - screw the rest of the world - form communes - live off the land. The Amish folks do very well for themselves.

 

Europes values are very close to ours in the Grande scheme of things .. what values trouble you in particular ?

I can't wait

 

This only applies to a minority who wants to destroy the liberal German society in favor of an authoritarian regime. Good Germans are always loyal to the Western World. We love the NATO and the United States, but we hate Trump.

 

China is a good business partner, but they can't be friends. Just like Russia they don't understand freedom and democracy.

 

I was using hyperbole.

The fundamental difference between Europe and America is how we define equality, which is a very important word. In Europe, equality generally means equality of results ... income and wealth redistribution. In America, equality for most people means equality of opportunity. What a person does with that opportunity is up to them.

Our left has embraced the European view, which explains nearly all of the political tension between Republicans and Democrats today.

 

I appreciate the attempt at a coherent response - even if I may disagree. Equality of Results ? - what does this mean exactly. I think you are trying to say that all people be made "more equal" - brought within a similar income band. OK - this is partially true - but how does this factor into the geopolitical chess game that is going on .. I would claim - not a whole lot - if any.

Wealth Redistribution - I think we are even worse in many respects than other first world nations if you factor in health care costs. We are the land of Wealth Redistribution - Red even more than Blue in this nation .. so I respectfully disagree with your assessment.

We are no longer the "land of opportunity" that we once were. There is no fair and free market. We are regulated up the yang - the board is skewed towards the Oligopolies w/r to tax law and regulations - anti competitive practices run wild. 10 years ago - Jim Rogers - founder of the Quantum Fund with Soros - stated that at that time China had more fair and free markets than the US - and he was right.

but I digress. We used to be the only game in town -this is no longer our position on the board - but, we act like it is. We used to just whisper our desires into the ear of another nation and they would come running to comply - as we were the only game in town.

Now - even with Trump using the biggest stick he could find in order to try and beat the other nations of the world into compliance - while succeeding in getting them to submit - unwillingly - we are getting FU - every time we turn around - and can you blame them ?

What would you do if some nation was messing with our sovereignty ? - say you were a purchaser - overseeing international contract - where one of the bidders was that Nation ... bottom of the pile perhaps ?

This was a blunder - our economic future - is closely linked to - and reliant upon - the economic allies we forge going forward. While Trump was going around clubbing nations over the with a big stick - China and Russia are making deals - in many cases with the EU.

You want to say FU to the EU - OK - but there are consequences. The USA consists of roughly 20% of the pot ... leaving 80% that we could ally with - China is 20% - the EU 20% = 50% of whats out there. India with a few other nations such as Japan - South Korea and so on - another 25% - India is going the direction of China/Russia in many respects.

Of the 25% that is left - its a toss up. We have lost in the ME - Syria,Iran,Iraq are gone - Qatar and Oman are friendly to Iran. China is now El Saud's #1 purchaser - and so the future is a toss up. Turkey is a toss up as well.

Africa ? - Central America ? Many of these nations are working with the China/Russia consortia.

That's the board - no one cares about our Military Strength - except perhaps a few nations who we happen to be attacking - or - in the case of Iran - seem to be close to attacking. Economic is the strongest piece on the chessboard - not Military.

With this in mind - ...looking at potential allies on the board - The EU is as good as it gets or at least high up there .... Sans Canada and Mexico for obvious reasons.

So I take headlines such as in the OP - seriously - not with some "F-them" attitude. The EU is - and should be treated as - an Equal - as their position on the board is as strong - if not stronger than ours. Not talked down to like some subservient peon - "we protect you from Russia". Do you seriously think the citizens Portugal think the US is protecting them from Russia ? - or any serious person that has studied the issue for that matter. France and Britain's nukes protect Portugal from Russia... not US tanks - soldiers - and base - or any other conventional US forces.

We do have one major "Trump Card" in our hand still - that the USD is the world reserve currency - and thus the US controls the international system of payments.

We were given this privilege by the other nations of the worlds - on the belief that we would never use the "Nuclear option" / abuse this privilege. - and that is exactly what Trump did - and yes - the reaction has been pretty bad.

Trump made a bold move on the chessboard - but that move turned out to be a huge blunder - and we need a course correction pronto.

Can Biden get the ship going in the right direction ? perhaps in some ways - but he is such a disaster in other ways that that I prefer a Red win.

 

Your name is not gender specific and I honestly thought you were a woman.

 

Nice of you to jump into a conversation with such a well thought out response The point is that Trump has made a mess.

 

We had a roaring economy with full employment until the covid shutdown so I'm not sure what the mess is you think Trump made but thanks for making your point in a few words instead of a few hundred. Well done.

 

Please explain the mess we had before Covid, not that Trump has anything to do with How bad we’ve been hit. Didn’t matter who we had in office, we would have been hit the same. The biggest difference is how the MSM would have reported on this “mess”. With Trump EVERYTHING is reported in the negative. If Clinton was here she would be worshiped in how we have faired better than most major countries in EU. Overall news wouod be very optimistic as to our new normal. We wouldn’t have closed up any sooner. We certainly wouldn’t have shut down travel any sooner. There would have been no reported crisis with hospitals or tests or any medical supplies we didn’t have. It wouldn’t have even been reported at all.

But we would still be completely shut down. We wouod have borrowed and given even more in the stimulus than wouod we actually did. We would still be writing checks so people wouldn’t go back to work. We’d be spending infinitely more than we have. No talk of opening up the economy. The reality of universal income would be here. A permanently massive Democrat base would be formed over night because 10s of millions would now only be paid if they vote D. No check otherwise. We’d be forced to use apps to report on neighbors and their behavior. Someone without a mask would probably be fined. That police state the Left accuses Trump of supporting would actually be reality instead of their crazy fantasies.

That’s the difference.

 

List of failures.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...lures-list-success-us-president-a8042756.html

Also, He is losing our allies support.
It's a tough world and to go it alone will be tougher.

But if 2nd, 3rd, or 4th fiddle is what one is wanting. tRUMP has us on that path.

As the OP is pointing out.

 

My comments were not related to anything above. If you are unable to handle more than a few soundbites .. if complex ideas are not your thing, then my posts are not for you, and I suggest you put me on ignore ... actually - I implore you

 

Why are you asking me to explain something that has absolutely nothing to do with my post... which - if you had read it - ends up recommending voting for Trump.

"The Difference" is that I do not view this through some partisan rose colored lenses

None of my comments related to Covid in any way. I was talking about our long term economic security and Biden is not the solution. That does not change the fact that Trump has made some blunders on the geopolitical chessboard ... it is not a simple game we are playing .. and the board has become very complicated - and Trump is not a God.

Trump has made some good moves in some areas but in others he has not been making GrandMaster moves - in a game where other's are.

 

I’m sure you would like me to stop commenting on your nonsensical TDS rants. Don’t get your hopes up.

 

And these others would be?

 

Comment away - but with something other than name calling would be preferred

 

You mean the OP that claims Europe is anti Trump based on a poll conducted in Germany? That OP? LOL

 

The name I called you was? Maybe you’re confusing me with another.

 

Joe - congratulations for a post that contains something other than Ad Hom fallacy !

Violating the sovereignty of most every nation on the planet that matters was a move that did not turn out well.

 

Was the inference Joe - do I need to spell out the meaning of your own comments for you ?