Racism is a problem in the US, yes, but it's nothing like Europe. I've come across a lot of news and bits of information (none really from US sources) that express how outright nasty and direct racism is there. But I think these guys did a better job of explaining it in a way that can strike empathy with people. [video=youtube;jwpO-nnFY9g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwpO-nnFY9g[/video]
Football has very little to do with racism , people go to see a game and bash opposition's players in any possible way including racist slurs . In most cases European football clubs express social classes or political groups and in places where the fans are working class leftists you better call the ambulance before attempt to bash someone for his race, in clubs where fans are nationalists those things happen.
Yes, European people are seeing all these non-Whites piling into THEIR continent in droves and bringing their disgusting violent crime, arrogance, obnoxiousness and hatred with them whilst completely changing the host continents culture and customs. They've had enough and I salute them. Africa for the Africans, Asia for the Asians, Europe for everybody?? Screw that. That sounds like genocide to me. Throwing a banana at a black football player and making monkey chants is the kindest thing I think the Europeans ought to do.
No, there's a line between crowd-cawing and blatant racism. There are no racist remarks directed at any of the White players, just the Black ones. Besides, I can't see how you don't view it as racism when there are Nazi's in the crowd. Nazi's. Racism permeates all social areas. There are and have been White's in Africa for centuries. They also set up colonies all over it. One of the most famous is South Africa. White's have also had a presence in Asia for even longer. In India, in China, Vietnam, Hong Kong... You can also add all of the America's, as well as Australia. I don't think I have heard of any imperialism committed by non-white nations against white nations. When was it? Where did it occur?
You expect white Europeans to bash other white Europeans for being white? But they too have to endure songs about the sexuality of their parents and chants about their body type and physical characteristics, as i said clubs are reflecting many things outside sports so you expect SS Lazzio fans to be nazis and Livorno fans to be communists.
I couldn't care less what people think on this issue. You can be a racist all you like as long as you don't coerce people into staying out of your geographical area despite their claim to private property - and don't use government force in any other way upon them or anyone else.
There's a difference between crowd-cawing and racism. I can understand crowd antagonism to players, but these are cases where fans are shouting racist slurs and the like to colored members of their own team. That isn't competitive heckling, that's racism.
It is actually the same thing , in Greece we call clubs from the north Bulgarians while Bulgarians are calling clubs from the south Greeks, same in Portugal ( the slur is Spanish) , coloured people are just too soft on the issue , i have never seen any European using the racist card after the size of his nose was laughed by a crowd of 40.000 . All this is in purpose to tease players so they lose their focus and self control , if it works everyone is going to do it (where it is allowed) , very often fans who trash an Asian guy have Asians playing for their own team so no the root is not really racism.,
You do realize that FORCED Multi-Culturalism is much different to Colonialism, right? As wrong as I personally think Colonialism was, Multi-Culturalism is FAR worse... because, as I've already explained in your other bizarre thread, FORCED Multi-Culturalism leads to the eventual destruction of one (and only one) race. It's genocide... and it's genocide accompanied by media brainwashing which is leading to the ones being destroyed actually applauding the fact they are being destroyed. Again, you won't understand. But I digress... With Colonialism, a handful of Whites strolled into Africa and other 3rd world (*)(*)(*)(*)holes (WHICH IS WRONG) and separated themselves whilst taking resources, buying slaves from African kings and queens and using them to build up their 3rd world (*)(*)(*)(*)holes into civilized societies on the external side at least. They created segregated societies (famously known as apartheid = apart) which never threatened the future of the indigenous race. Africa was a vast land and the matter of a small number of Whites being there wasn't that big a deal on the grand scheme of things in terms of over-crowding. Whites never (and have never) ventured into the deep, dark, communities of everyday black Africa. In short, blacks have an option to live among their own. So do Asians. Whites DON'T. That shouldn't be too hard to understand. But I won't hold my breath...
Multiculturalism is unstoppable. It's inseparable from communication. Wherever there is the ability to communicate, there will be exchanges between the two- consciously and unconsciously. But, more to the point, nothing lasts forever, including cultures. Do you think the white culture is the same as it was 1,000 years ago? There was no such thing as "white culture" 1,000 years ago. People did not identify themselves according to race, and certainly not skin color. Overall, I suppose you want to preserve a cultural purity? There is no such thing. Outside of the superficial parts that interact with the world, your core structure as a human is no different than any other human in the world. You are related, by blood, to every single one of them. Trying to separate yourself into distinct and pure cultures is like trying to separate drops of water in the ocean. Zook...I've debated history and politics for a while, and I've noticed that when talking about history, their is a strong resentment among white people in it's discussion. They claim they are being made to feel guilty...because they feel guilt. There a five responses characteristic to these people 1. denial 2. distort 3. defend 4. dilute 5. distance themselves from it For anyone reading your post with even a little understanding of common history, they would know that European's presence on Africa was anything other than casual. Europeans penetrated deep into Africa and everywhere else. Imperialism is not isolated to Europeans, or white people in general, but there can be no denial as to the massive influence of Europeans on the non-European places they have generally come to dominate. Further, civilization was not a gift to the peoples encountered, it was a process of facilitating a structure beneficial to the Colonists where control could be established, force could be propagated, and resources and other forms of vale extracted with efficiency. Saying that these places benefited from colonialism is like saying a rape victim benefited by meeting new people. But seriously...look up the British Empire. That's just one example. Japan's empire was brief, but it's effect on China was massive and the consequences still resonate to this day. I don't understand what you mean by this. Blacks live in a nation dominated by White people. How are they 'living among their own'? No place in the world will ever be exclusively one nationality, or race, as you call it. All of them host mixed populations. Whining about white people not having a place of their own is ridiculous.
Which is exactly what I predicted. This is the result of vast media brainwashing through distorted history and manipulated science. Liberal anti-racists/anti-Whites like this don't take time to research the other side of the coin. They just swallow whatever tripe the global elite force-feeds down their throats. The global elite teaches these types of Goyim that racism is evil and if you take a second to hear the thoughts of racially aware people, you're just like Hitler. So it creates a group of airheaded liberals who wander around in a constant state of confusion, not understanding any other view-points. Because they won't even entertain the thought of visiting racially aware websites with an open mind and hearing other views/facts. One thing I will say, Upside Down Cake, there are many interpretations of history and the one you adhere to is not absolute. Now I'm done because I feel I'd get more sense out of speaking to a brick wall.
What you are preaching seems to be ethnocentrism or the view that races are characterized by how they appear. I can't fault you for this, and I don't deny the present state of things as they are- to some degree. When you get a person to characterize a particular person or race as immoral, criminal, or evil, it leads to all sorts of elaborations or dramatizations that only distort the actual truth of the matter. In your case with Black people, yes, there is considerable issues within their community, but they are by far not the menace they are made out to be. There is actually improvement in their community, and profoundly so. Their are Blacks who are anything from scientists to rear-admirals, admirals, generals, and the like. But your constant focus is on demeaning them all by lumping them in with the worst offenders of their society. For you, there will likely never be any good Black people, no matter how good they are. You are likely to see it as some coy conspiracy to generate Black sympathy and allow the eventual overthrow of the nation to minorities. But...aside from talking about vague conspiracies, you never explain yourself on why you believe the way you do. What factual grounds do you base your ideas of of? There is the present, but you ignore the past. People who say the past is meaningless are ignorant. If I took your memories away, you'd prove my point by not even being able to be offended. You know of no reality beyond the absolute present, forgetting that I ever even committed the act in the first place. People would go around mocking you for your profound ignorance, not realizing that it was me that took your memories.
Well, if you read through my post history, you'd see why I hold my views. But I'll explain. My views on the black race are based on VAST experience living around them. I have lived in black majority cities/neighbourhoods my entire life, that's just over 30 years, on 2 different continents (U.S. and U.K.). See, nothing truly beats personal experience because science is known to be manipulated by people with an agenda. But if you do want some real facts on why I think the way I do, I suggest looking at FBI crime statistics. As a person with extremely high morals and principals, I am utterly appalled that 13% of the population of America (blacks) commit over half the violent crime. I analyze that along with their breeding patterns and worry that if it's that bad now, imagine what it will be like when they grow in population to 15%... or 25% or (God forbid) 50%?? It'll be like Somalia or South Africa. I'm not saying history isn't important, but if you want to get ahead in life, why focus on it so much? You do that and you'll become a loser as so many blacks choose to do. Besides, when the powers that be are constantly manipulating history and science, how can you really take any of it seriously? Do you know there's hundreds of different explanations for most of the major events of the past? What makes your interpretation so significant? History or not, this all comes down to wanting to live in a safe, clean, respectful society and I cannot do that because 3rd world trash is being poured into every single European country as we speak. When I visit family in majority White utopias it's like visiting another planet. It's lovely. I can't think of any majority black neighbourhoods, cities or countries on the planet that are safe or lovely places to live... and I've been around a bit. But how long are those majority White utopias going to stay majority White? Not long thanks to White genocide. I am typing this to you from London, England. I can assure you the demographics here are changing at a frightening rate whether you want to bury your head in the sand or not.
No offense to White-haters, but their privileged pets are such lazy, undisciplined, and incompetent workers that there aren't even any sweatshops in Africa. It is undeniable that the Capitaliban would outsource our jobs there if that wasn't true. The people are poor because they are lazy, violent, and stupid.
I've said it before that the conditions surrounding the present Black community is not a willing choice, and I do not believe it is in your power to decide when a culture should "get over their past and move on". It's tough language, yes, but you are divorced from the exact issues these people face. I've lived among Black people too, in a pretty nice neighborhood. I've also been to what you could term as "white ghetto's". The poor are the poor and they act the same, but I have never seen the radical views people share about the community expressed in overwhelming detail. The poorest people will commit the greatest offenses. You can explain to me how this country has been fair to Black people. Walk me through the entire process as to how Black people are depraved and responsible for their present condition. Make your case and I will apologize. My outlook on the past is actual facts. It's not an interpretation, these things happened. They happened recently, they still happen today. A person of high morals doesn't talk about other people like that, and "truth" is usually the trumpet of outright ***holes. And I find no sense of pity in Europeans complaining about cultural imperialism. The immigrants will destroy your world, huh? Everything was fine up till now?
No you won't apologize because you're brainwashed and unwilling to see things any other way than your own. Even your other posts in that other thread about how you don't believe certain scientific studies because they don't suit your agenda proves that. You're set in your ways and that's fine. You say you've lived in nice black majority neighbourhoods, I say I've lived in many black majority neighbourhoods which were all utter hell holes. What makes my views stronger and more realistic than yours? Crime statistics back up my experiences, not yours. And I've already proven poverty has little to do with black crime. http://www.politicalforum.com/race-...se-astronomically-high-black-crime-rates.html Stop making excuses. It's pathetic.
In the other thread, I simply didn't believe in statistics that aren't scientific facts, they are opinions and scientific hypothesis. There's a difference. Yo, certainly haven't proven anything. You submitted a poll with only a set amount of choices. What about politics? What about external environment? Your poll is geared to give you answers that agree with your mindset and adds to my belief that polls and statistics tend to be full of crap. I've known people who fought in the Vietnam War that didn't have a real understanding of why it started, why it was maintained, or what was actually going on around them in other parts of the country they were fighting in until ten years later. Some still do not. Knowledge or insight into the situation is not a matter of osmosis where you automatically soak it in due to proximity any more than a college student is destined to become a genius by being surrounded by intellectuals. That, Zook, is an example of a pathetic argument. But I am still willing to hear you out on your reasoning. I don't agree with everything you say. You can give facts about the present conditions, but then characteristically leap from those into fanciful projections about the culture, and disturbing convictions. What I am asking you is to rationalize to me how you see it as their fault. How they are the loathsome element of American society by self-determination. If you want to solve a problem, you have to find out how it's created, right? To do that, you must ask, why is the Black culture the way it is. So, I just wanted to hear your reasoning behind it. Explain to me why the Black culture, factually, is the way it is. How did it come to be this way. Why is it their fault. How did they even come to be here. I'll definitely hear you out.
Black culture is the way it is because blacks are mentally inferior to all other races. Scientists have proven this, but are repeatedly shouted down and chastized by the loony left who can't bear to hear opinions different from their own. This is why modern science can never be taken seriously. It's manipulated by liberals who don't believe in certain scientific facts due to it being against their own agenda (*wink wink* mentioning no names) If you have to manipulate science to agree with you, you automatically lose. That's what they did to Dr. William Shockley and Dr. James Watson recently. Now, that's what's really pathetic. Anyway, my link wasn't really about the poll results. Look at my explanations in the OP that completely debunks black failure linked to poverty. I think I'm done with you now. If you can't see that the left cheats, lies and manipulates from the very top all the way to the bottom in order to brainwash their followers into thinking a certain way, there's no point in going around in circles. Leave Europe alone. The vast majority of Africa is left alone so the blacks can live among their own. Europe should be the same.
Personal attacks are against forum rules. Exceptions to the rule don't break the rule. For every black doctor there's around 100,000 blacks who do nothing but leach and take. Come back to me when Affirmative Action is abolished and blacks are hired on merit instead of the colour of their skin.
Personal attacks are against forum rules. Exceptions to the rule don't break the rule. For every black doctor there's around 100,000 blacks who do nothing but leach and take. Come back to me when Affirmative Action is abolished and blacks are hired on merit instead of the colour of their skin. And I'll add... that yours is a typical liberal response to a racially realist argument.
Maybe the problem is that the government is subsidizing diversity, refusing to help poor people in other countries unless they move to the UK. If "racism" results from this, too bad. Should have considered the possible consequences of poor government policy in the first place.
