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  1. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Larger countries attack smaller or weaker ones,
    weaker ones attacking stronger ones would risk
    an existential crisis.

    In 2022 the Russian Federation was believed to be
    fairly weak, it's military expenditure was 7% of the
    US military budget, and the US had the rest of
    Western Europe on our side, so threatening Russia
    seemed a perfectly normal thing to do.

    Except for those nukes. It was a gas station with nukes,
    the Ural Mountains with nukes, a forest with nukes.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But we were sure they wouldn't use them, and they
    would capitulate and we would all collectively dismantle
    the nukes.

    Russia was so weak.
    And has the World's largest natural gas reserves.

    We would lure Russia into a battle in Ukraine, and
    'bleed Russia white'.

    From our side it looked like a safe bet.

    Somehow 7% of our expenditure on weapons, a GDP
    said to match that of Italy, against not just us but
    Britain, France, Germany, and other countries, seemed
    pretty safe.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    For Russia to decide to attack, they already had the
    World's largest gas reserves, and a pipeline selling
    gas to Germany,

    they had a lot to lose, and almost nothing to gain.
     
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    Poor Russia. They were basically forced to attack Ukraine and try and take Kyiv by force.

    And also I'm sure it's poor China. Basically forced to hose down and ram Philippines boats a couple hundreds ks off their coast.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They didn't invade Ukraine, they moved a small military
    force in, a special operation, to show that 'nyet' means 'nyet'.

    NATO and nuclear armed missiles were not allowed to
    be placed near the border of Russia.


    Type in: nyet means nyet russia


    and you will get previously confidential information

    confirming that NATO knew that further expansion eastward was
    perceived as a threat by Russia.
     
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    Russia-Ukraine is a blood feud going back over 100 years. This is just another chapter of it. We didn't need to "lure" Russia into anything.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It appears you are claiming it isn't Biden's fault because the war in Ukraine has been in the making for 100 years.

    And the Republicans losing control of the Senate, and Congress voting 700 million dollars of 'aid' for Ukraine,
    arriving and being put into use about Feb 16th 2022, increasing the shelling of Donetsk from about 3 or 4
    shells a day to 30 or 40 shells a day, resulting in Russia moving forces in on Feb 24th,

    was just coincidence?
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The overall cause of the War in Ukraine was the neocons in the US deciding to advance
    NATO by one more country, and to threaten Russia by placing missiles in Romania and
    Poland and promising to do so in Ukraine, even closer to Moscow.

    The triggering event was a big increase in the shelling of the principally
    Russian-speaking civilians in Donetsk, Luhansk and other civilian areas.
     

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