Ever Wonder What Would've Happened if Democrats Had Simply Decided to get Along with President Trump

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Surrendering to tyranny was never an option, "Grovel!" an unacceptable capitulation.

    We are a nation of laws, not of men (nor of manikins.)

    The Constitutional crisis concerning the perversion of America's foreign policy to elicit a "favor" from another nation calculated to damage a political rival comes down to a pursuit of truth in which the testimony under oath of all witnesses with knowledge of the pertinent events are solicited to share their knowledge, and the other side, motivated by irrefutable self-interest, refuses to swear to tell the truth, undertakes to gag all witnesses in-the-know, and conceals all documents that could provide further confirmation of what transpired.

    Expose vs Hide.

    It is a contrast as stark as night and day, and some choose to be benighted.
     
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    *Looks around his, suddenly very creepy in retrospect, garage.* Oh . . . oh, I've made a very terrible mistake.
     
  3. Natty Bumpo

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    Refuses to swear to tell the truth, undertakes to gag all witnesses in-the-know, and conceals all documents that could provide further confirmation of what transpired.
     
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    ?Que? Sorry, I was just trying to make a joke about manikins.
     
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    Gibberish.

    How'd it go over in the NEA newsletter column though?
     
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    When was the last time the had any regards for this country ? There is only one thing they care about , power. .
     
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    I guess that is what it will take to accept his eventual removal from office. Seems to me that both sides know the gig is up. The energy of 2018 may be exceeded in 2020. The Democrats are trying to impeach Trump before the clock runs out. The Republicans are likely to lose Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. Arizona, Georgia, and Texas show signs of going purple, if not flipping, which would spell certain victory for Democrats and democracy.

    Trump's best chance at having a respectable legacy is to lose at the ballot box, which he will. However the more likely legacy is impeachment and then removal at the ballot box. That would push his legacy to the bottom of all presidents, where it belongs.
     
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    Well except for the fact impeachment isn’t polling well in the battleground states and the biggest benefactors of the great economy are also there, you might have something.
     
  9. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Again, we do not elect autocrats. Jeez Louise, if you hire somebody and he starts right off referring your best customers to his brother and skimming the books do you keep him on until the first performance review?
     
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    Well duh. We elect Presidents every four years. You know that right?
     
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    “I would like you to do us a favor, though.”

    This is from the transcript of the July 25 phone call between Trump and Zelensky. It was provided by the White House. The following is a quote from Trump.

    Good because I· heard you had a prosecutor who· was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States,· the woman., was bad news and the people she was dealing with in.the Ukraine.were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, there's a lot of.talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.

    “What you’re describing is a quid pro quo,” asserted the reporter. “We do that all the time,” replied [Trump's chief of staff] Mulvaney. “Did he also mention to me the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely. No question about it. But that’s it. That’s why we held up the money … I have news for everybody: Get over it. There’s going to be political influence in foreign policy.” http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/mulvaney-ukraine-get-over-it.html

    After the July 25 phone call with Zelensky, as he usually does, Trump doubled down on the Biden investigation. On Oct. 3, in a news conference on the White House lawn, he called on Ukraine and China to look into former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter.

    “If they were honest about it, they would start a major investigation into the Bidens,” Trump said when asked what he wanted Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky to do about the former veep and his son.

    “They should investigate the Bidens,” Trump said. “Likewise, China should start an investigation into the Bidens, because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine.”

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/03/trump-calls-for-ukraine-china-to-investigate-the-bidens.html

    There is no getting around it. It is all well and good that Republicans can say Trump did nothing to cause his removal from office, but if the Republicans in the Senate exonerate Trump, if Trump's fans continue to insist impeachment is a sham, then the Republican Party and Trump's fans are saying:

    A) The President is permitted to ask for foreign interference in our elections to improve his chances of winning.

    B) The President is permitted to use military aid approved by Congress to a country fighting Russian aggression as a means of extortion to compel a foreign leader to comply with his wishes.

    C) To cover up his deeds, the President is permitted to use obstruction of justice.

    D) The President is permitted to ignore Congressional oversight as mandated by our Constitution.

    Is this what the Republican Party wants to be remember for?
     

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