Everyone That Wants A Job Should Have One

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  1. Durandal

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    Got a cliché for you as well: Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
     
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    And I would restore a sense of direction and hope and purpose.

    I would create something people wanted to be part of, and support, because for once, the something would benefit them.
     
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    You want that, get rid of the government. Unless you're embarking on a grand national project like world conquest or building the Death Star, you won't get anything resembling that with large, parental government.
     
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    The underlying logic pertaining to the market is the maximization of profit - that's its guiding principle. The fact that the market is frequently bucked saves capitalism from it's own collapse. The central internal contradiction of such an economic system is that it has the potential to create its own gravediggers. Capitalists are akin to a band of warring brothers in that regard.
     
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    It's a good job then that the kind of planned economy devised by Pat Levine that I have in mind has nothing at all to do with your doom-laden notion.
     
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    *L* Right. This plan will succeed. Just have faith!
     
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    It could hardly do any worse then the mess created by capitalism. You lack the imagination. It might help if you actually read it to be confident to comment on it. Just a hint for you.
     
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    Would everyone need to kill Joos and wear a swastika or is it optional?
     
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    Any system predicated on meeting human need for the betterment of society has achieved neither betterment of society nor maximization of profit, the result was the exact opposite - a society collapsing morally and financially.

    The market on the other hand, imperfect as it might be, is still the best available allocator of resources as areas of maximum profits are typically the key areas of societal need, otherwise they just would not yield maximum profits. You think a semi-competent government bureaucrat with no interest in end result, CYA mentality and absolutely no incentive to take even the slightest risk would be the best allocator of resources? You should have spent 1 week in the Soviet Union buddy.
     
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    Well, people that cannot write a lucid sentence would likely remain out of work.

    I would find it hard to find a role for them, unless they were paid a tenner an hour to lick windows.
     
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    It's the 21st century dude, in Jack's country it would be optional of course but would have a significant impact on bonuses and promotions lol
     
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    Or you should say the jobs available.

    Urbanized and suburbanized americans don't want and do not perform very well at agricultural work. Imagine climbing a tree to pick apples and the guy working next to you finishes the whole tree before you get half a bag. We are pathetic at that stuff.

    We are settled too. There are almost no migrant workers who are US citizens. Traveling as families is expensive and if you have children you are held responsible for their education and care.

    The other side of the coin is the recent graduate who has to pick up work which does not pay enough to both feed shelter and cloth them and pay back their student loans. The fact is that a lot of jobs that used to pay well are paying very little now. Many graduates would rather do nothing than work at low paying dead end jobs.

    We are victims of the American Dream. We need to get it through our heads that work is much more about survival than it is about a bright future anymore.
     
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    So much for full employment lol, at least the OP does not discriminate on the basis of skills, knowledge or even literacy, everybody gets a job even those who can't read or write in 'precision's' empire :)
     
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    It seemed to be lucid enough to get your tongue off the window. Looking for a raise Jack?
    Perhaps you failed to notice how Hitlerite your posts sounded.
     
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    Surely you feel ten quid and hour, maybe $18, is decent to lick windows, no?
     
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    Definitely. Keep up the good work Jack.
     
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    In sum: Everyone who wants a job should go get one or create one!
     
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    I do believe there are many examples of where this has been tried. Unlimited money printing sounds like a good idea, but when the socialists tried it in post WWI Germany it kind of screwed up.

    The more money you printed the less it was worth and the more you had to print to pay for things. It took a wheelbarrow full of Deuchsmarks to buy a loaf of bread.

    There simply is no way to create jobs for everyone who wants one. I know I blind guy who REALLY WANTS a job....any job. But his choices are few, and because he can't work more than three hours a day, he's got something looking to do.

    And a friend's daughter really WANTS a job too. But she's spent the last three years studying classic English and the only jobs in that area are teaching....and enrollments are declining.

    The only way to have jobs for everyone who wants them is utopia.....and I think socialist promises in that regard have been a bit over rated.
     
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    I am presently into human organ trafficking.

    It is very vogue.

    Gold is so last decade.
     
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    I visited East Berlin before the wall came down and it was the most depressing experience in my life. Horrible. But that form of Stalin style state capitalism that collapses from within will not be a consequence of what Devine or I have in mind.

    I disagree with you that the market is the best allocator of resources. There is often the temptation for people when arriving at such a conclusion to look at the situation solely from the prism of western society. This is actually the premise upon which the theory of neoclassical economics is taught in colleges and universities. The supply-demand equilibrium point upon which neoclassical economic ideology is theoretically seen as its justification in practice, is in reality inherently flawed since it is predicated on people everywhere having access to money. Therefore, societal need cannot possibly be best determined through the maximized yielding of profits as you claim.

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    I visited East Berlin before the wall came down and it was the most depressing experience in my life. Horrible. But that form of Stalin style state capitalism that collapses from within will not be a consequence of what Devine or I have in mind.

    I disagree with you that the market is the best allocator of resources. There is often the temptation for people when arriving at such a conclusion to look at the situation solely from the prism of western society. This is actually the premise upon which the theory of neoclassical economics is taught in colleges and universities. The supply-demand equilibrium point upon which neoclassical economic ideology is theoretically seen as its justification in practice, is in reality inherently flawed since it is predicated on people everywhere having access to money. Therefore, societal need cannot possibly be best determined through the maximized yielding of profits as you claim.
     
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    Maybe that friend's daughter could embark on some research and write something - maybe even author or co-author a textbook - relating to classic English.

    Dunno what the blind guy could do. I suppose something heavily auditory, like working on a phone doing customer service or some such.

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    I see. It's either welfare or crime for you, eh? Lots of people seem to think along such lines.
     
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    There is enough to be done to justify the creation of many kinds of jobs. Currently many people are overworked while others are under-worked or idle. Many others are working well into a retirement age that is steadily increasing while there is mass unemployment among the young.
     
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    You missed the point, but carry on.

    People who insist on taking philosophy and expect a high paying job in our society are impractical. To create a job creation strategy to assuage their stubborn ideas is simply not sustainable.

    Simply wanting a job is not qualification for keeping one.
     
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    No.

    Sometimes I put on lipstick, and cellotape my thing back, before walking around certain streets.
     
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