Ex-Transgender Teenager Sues Kaiser Permanente over Double Mastectomy

Interesting reasoning, so you think it's legit to treat suicidal thoughts with lopping off body parts.

 

Do you know what the average age is of these ones that regret it? I'm guessing it isn't mostly people that had it done as adults

 

I think that medical professionals and psychiatric organizations that dedicate their careers to study this field have more of a firm grasp on the subject than people trying to push a political agenda.

From the studies I have read on extreme cases of gender dysphoria it reduces suicidal ideation and increases overall satisfaction with life although there are reports that the surgery impacts how they physically feel due to pain. The vast majority of respondents indicate they would have the surgery again.

 

I didn’t notice that in the study. Do you have a number? If a majority of the individuals that have treatment as minors regret it then I would be forced to revise my position.

 

Who are you to be going around telling others how to live their lives.

 

Hey if you're ok with mutilating kids bodies, at least just come out and admit it.

If you saw a man breaking his kids legs outside, you just keep walking and mind your own business.

Society will be left to deal with these kids when the are adults.

 

I am not a legislature. These new laws in certain states are just being enacted, because once again, because Republicans are hypocrits.

 

Check this out, it’s from a link within the original article:

Jane's lawsuit, according to reports from The Blaze, alleged doctors warned her of an increased risk of suicide if she failed to transition to male, adding that they gave her parents a binary option of living with a "live son" or suffering the consequence of having a "dead daughter."

 

What about it? Far as I know the parents are involved in that decision.

 

You have implied multiple times that the options are suicide or mutilation. What do we do for teens who are suicidal for reasons that are not due to "gender dysphoria"?

And by the way, just because something is happening does not mean it can't be used in a false dilemma. You have done it yourself may times. Bravo.

 

"There are plenty of stories where transitioning saved a child's life." Say what?

 

???? We were debating whether circumcision is genital mutilation. And its medical fraud to present medical transition as a treatment for gender dysphoria. It does nothing to treat gender dysphoria. I think the government should be involved in any such medical fraud.

 

Gender-affirming Care Saves Lives

https://www.columbiapsychiatry.org/news/gender-affirming-care-saves-lives

 

Yes it's the parents decision, I think it is their decision alone. There are plenty of things I don't agree, including the sex therapy for minors, but I will not interfere with the parents decision.

 

I'm not a doctor and I'm not their parents. I agree it is best to wait until they are 18, but it is still the parents decision.

 

It shouldn't be a parents decision to cut off body parts.

What if its a male that wants boobs at 12 years old. From your response, you're okay with the parents getting the boy breast implants to a DD cup at 12, as long as it was their decision.

I'm definitely NOT on board with that, I don't care if it's the parents decision.

 

That’s false, there are a multitude of other treatments for severe instances such as therapy, socially transitioning without surgery, hormone therapy, pharmaceuticals. Usually the last step after other options have been exhausted is surgery and while you might consider it mutilation the individual being treated considerers it correcting a deformity.

Therapy and drugs are the most common treatments but most mental illnesses are not due to physical issues.

How is identifying what the medical community has identified as a last resort solution a false dilemma?

 

I have never said that, if you read more carefully I said it is not my business, it is the parents. Seems you want govt involvement only when it suits your preferences.

 

You did say actually say exactly that. As long as it's the parents decision, you are cool with it.

 

This sort of care has no real long term study of being the “correct” care though. These doctors are still guessing essentially. How many doctors did they talk to that said “no, you should wait?” They’re out there. They’re not silent. And we’ve already seen hospitals/doctors are pushing these procedures because they make BIG money. Walsh exposed that little “secret”.

It’s a tricky situation. To me you wait until the child is old enough to make such a life altering decision. This isn’t a nose job. Not a circumcision. This isn’t a breast reduction to help back problems and discomfort. This is life altering based on the whims of a CHILDs brain or parents wanting a toy to parade around!!!

 

are you sure it isn't the same as a circumcision? According to medical expert @mdrobster mastectomies and circumcision are the same things.

 

Sure keep speaking falsehoods about my posts.

 

To each his own. Some might think you just cut your leg off to fix a broken bone instead of resetting it

 

There have absolutely been studies of this done, I have posted several of them and would be happy to do so again.

As I have already said I am not a big advocate of them having surgery before they can understand the repercussions of such, I don’t even agree with hormones as they can rarely have permanent effects but medical and psychiatric organizations have shown why they believe this is a solution in some cases especially in ones where the child is experiencing significant distress.

So let’s say you get your way and remove the parents choice and we ignore medical advice to ban this type of procedure across the nation, you believe these children should be allowed to take hormone therapy?

Or should we just tell them to deal with the incongruence between their brain and body until they are 16 or 18 or 21 or 25?

 

Can you point, specifically, to any Democrat politicians 'encouraging' this kind of procedure?