Exclusive: Iran Warns Netanyahu Is Bringing Biden Down With Him in Gaza

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    Iran's ambassador to the UN provided in depth answers to questions posed by Newsweek in the interview published below. While those responses represent mostly Iran's formal, diplomatic, position on these issues, they still contain poignant points worth reading. But the most astute observation made by Iran's UN ambassador relates not to so much to Iran or Hamas, but the clear political and electoral conflict of interest emerging between Joe Biden and Benjamin Netanyahu.
    https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-iran-warns-netanyahu-bringing-biden-down-gaza-1852669
    Exclusive: Iran Warns Netanyahu Is Bringing Biden Down With Him in Gaza
     
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    Netanyahu just gets better and better!
     
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    Biden deserves it, but the rest of the world, and the American people, will have to learn to live with an America that will become an outright and openly fascist state.
     
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    Not if we get rid of the fascist Democrats. We'll soon be back to buying cars we want, buying appliances we want, defending our country instead of running away from our enemies... there will be no more Covid tyranny... no more open borders... no more endless contribution to foreign powers that bribe our officials...
     
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    One of the issues Iran faces caliberrating its reaction to the events surrounding this war is, ultimately, which of Biden or Trump present a greater danger?

    If Trump is elected, the pros and cons from Iran's perspective are the following and the reverse in case its Biden;:

    Pros:
    1. greater divisiveness, instability, and in-fighting in the US, possibly distracting the US and weakening it;
    2. the greater difficulty Trump would face bringing the EU on board with him against Iran;
    3. better and greater ability to mobilize public opinion within Iran against Trump/USA as opposed to the US under a Democrat figurehead;
    4. somewhat greater chance of finding a way past the handlers to stroke Trump's ego in order to 'flip him', at least and albeit only temporarily;
    Cons:
    1. intrinsic danger of dealing with an unpredictable egomaniac beholden to powerful and influential pro Israeli interests;
    2. the danger of Trump being able to resuscitate his "understandings" with Putin at Iran's expense;
    3. the possibility that Trump succeeds bullying everyone else internationally to march to the tune set by the pro Israel lobby, starting with willing partners in Saudi Arabia, UAE etc but eventually extending to very unwilling ones in the EU who have problems with him.
     
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    Wow, what an alarming commonality amongst the protagonists within this thread. I wonder if they are aware of the irony.
     
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    no more government involved in women's uteruses and people's religion... oh wait..... oh and Trump would never expect a quid pro quo from a foreign leader, lol, never - Trump would never issue guidelines to shut down the economy during a pandemic either, never ever
     
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    Wow... radical propaganda knows no bounds I see. Very entertaining... but valueless.
     
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    And we care what Iran has to say about anything…why?
     
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    I think Iran's interests are clearly with Biden.

    His administration has continued the deep desire for normalization that began in the Obama administration, using the rubric of nuclear negotiations. I followed it for a while in this thread:

    Iranian Nuclear Negotiations are going exactly as you would suspect

    The bottom line on that the Biden administration wanted an agreement so badly that they were willing to accept just about anything. They just wanted the agreement, and if you lied to him in the process, that's fine.

    In addition, the Biden administration is facing unanticipated pushback on his generally pro-Israel stance. Being pro-Israel has been on of the few truly bipartisan directions of US foreign policy, and it's now cracking due to a new generation within the President's party that tends to accept the Palestinians=good/Israel=bad position. This is new by the way. President Obama didn't have to deal with such a virulent anti-Israel position within his own party in 2014.

    So Biden, although pro-Israel himself, will say whatever his more savvy aides put in his teleprompter, as they try to thread the needle between pro Israel donors and pro Palestinian voters.

    As for Trump...well he's philosemitic , and since he ended the last Iran nuclear deal, probably isn't interested in any negotiating or normalization with Iran.
     
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    There is no doubt in my mind that Iran has nukes. It has been teamed with North Korea on developing nukes since the 1990's. North Korea was unable to refine fissionable material enough for its weapons program, so they engaged Iran. Iran delivered and North Korea paid them back with SUPERSCUDS capable of longer ranges and greater payloads. (There was an interesting episode when a North Korean ship filled with SUPERSCUDS was "lost to US Naval tracking)
    Iranian tech support teams have been present at every nuclear weapon testr for years. Its reasonable to assume that Iran has as many nukes as North Korea (about 60).

    Iran is not a nation like any other. It is ruled by radical religious zealots that see thir way to PARADISE is by killing infidels... us.

    We're screwed.
     
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    Iran's leadership will be more worried about a Trump presidency. But I don't see Iran's interests capable of being served through negotiation with any of the factions in Washington. That train passed a long time ago. The last time IMO there was a window and a ray of hope for Iran and the US to find reconciliation was during the Bill Clinton-Khatami years (1997-2000). The JCPOA negotiated during the Obama years superficially rekindled some hope for those representing the millions of people in Iran who would welcome such reconciliation, but it was ultimately a (predictable) fraud. In fact, the fraud was predictable enough to and for Iran's leadership (if not as predictable for its duped masses), that you could call the JCPOA an example of Iranian capitulation masked by largely empty promises. Since then, and since Trump tore the deal without any pretenses, all the rest of what passed under Biden's watch as negotiations to revive the JCPOA have been akin to a show about how much of the capitulation is to be put in writing for all to see? And how much of it a secret to allow the competing factions in Washington their own show so they could each defraud the American people in their own way.
     
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    The problem with your analysis is that you have it backwards! There was never (for anyone knowledgeable enough about Iran) any doubt about Iran's technical capabilities. Iran, on a per capita basis, has more engineers and scientists than even the United States. And Iran has been capable of building nukes for a long time. That is just a fact fully understood by all sides and confirmed by the IAEA. The real issue has been whether the Iranian leadership, whose saving grace (behind the mountain of lies and corruption under its watch) is supposed to be an other worldly kind of courage and wisdom, has so succumbed to all the worldly corruption around him to continue to prevent Iran to develop a deterrent it desperately needs? Or has he finally realized that this is a decision that can no longer be postponed?
     
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    I have great respect for Iranian technical expertise. I worked for CUBIC CORPORATION that built the multimillion dollar data link between ground operators and Predators/Reapers worldwide. Compromising it as the Iranians did and landing a Predator inside their country is a pretty amazing feat.

    I also understand that that the religious zealots that run Iran, whose rhetoric is filled with "Great Satan", sponsors terrorism worldwide, and so oppresses women are, indeed, religious zealots that operate with a whole different set of rules than the civilized nations of the world.
     
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    Not when the Democrats are gone. Then we can return to normalcy.
     
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    Well I think the Biden administration sincerely wanted to revive JCOPA, and if they had, a new Trump Presidency would have trashed it immediately anyway (not that I think there is much chance for another Trump Presidency).
     
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    It's easy to understand that Iran is scared.
     
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    what Biden may have wanted wasn't the issue...he couldn't deliver on the kind of sanctions relief promised by the JCPOA even if he wanted to nor give any guarantees about any other US commitments.
     
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    Iran would have reason to be worried, but that reason might have been enough for its leadership to take a step iran should have taken a long time ago regarding its nuclear program but instead seemed too hesitant to take.
     
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    "Iran warns?" LOL.
     
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    I never liked Bibi, and I can’t wait Israel elect a moderate someday.

    But what Bibi is doing now, I support him 100%.
     
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    Iran sides with ruZZia in Ukraine. Nuff said.
     
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    Hell no...these are the same people that are going to parrot and give "likes" to Putin's internet troll army in a few short months before the 2024 election cycle. It's the norm especially on this forum and social media.
     
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    I really don't think that's true. I don't think much changes based on which of them is President. It's mostly the rhetoric and posturing that will change and little else. Trump didn't build much of his wall. Biden didn't open the borders wide open.
     
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    Trump built a lot of the wall... until the Dems cut funding. But Border Patrol were apprehending and detaining illegals until Biden turnred them into paper pushers and childcare workers for folks freely allowed to enter the US.
     

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