Explain to me.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by cplstiffy, Jan 8, 2016.

  1. cplstiffy

    cplstiffy New Member

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    Can someone explain to me that why in this country we appease the minorities? Nobody can legitimately argue we do not. For example, a deranged psychopath takes pictures with the confederate flag and the goes to a church and murders some black people. Everyone loses their minds and jumps to ban a flag. (I couldn't give a damn less about that flag. It shouldn't be flown on state grounds anyhow) Its the principle. Yet, we get two muslim jihadists who go gun down people I don't hear a single soul screaming to ban the quran, hijab, or any of that other crap. Seems a little one sided.
     
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    JoeSixpack New Member

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    It is and it shows it isn't part of a particular agenda. Bad news, it is only going to get worse if people continue to allow the bullying, and the loss/decline of basic rights.
     
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    I'm not aware of the Qur'an being displayed on government grounds anywhere.
     
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    Mr. Swedish Guy New Member

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    You live in america and you haven't heard of donald trump? wow
     
  5. cplstiffy

    cplstiffy New Member

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    You're missing the point. It wasn't just it being displayed on government grounds. People wanted them completely removed. They're renaming things because of it. The point is when something happens that isn't aimed or couldn't be accused of being aimed at ONLY a specific demographic nobody wants to do anything about it.
     
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    buddhaman New Member

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    You must have some awfully thick partisan blinders on if you've missed the people calling for banning Muslims from entering the country and monitoring the ones that are here already. I agree there is a double standard, but you've got it backwards about which groups get the worst of it.

    Also, it's pretty foolish to compare the second largest religion in the world to a flag symbolizing a long defunct confederacy of slave states.
     
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    cplstiffy New Member

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    Lol, I have yet to hear anyone say lets ban muslims from coming in. lets say they did, so what. if youre not here youre not protected by our rights. period. Its not foolish either. Its the principle, if you want to raise hell that someone is flying it and you want that to be banned then your freedom of speech should go too. that's my point. everyone raises hell and thinks that if youre offended youre right.
     
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    upside-down cake Well-Known Member

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    No one is banning the Confederate flag. The Confederate Flag is not supposed to be flown over public property. Simple.

    However, you do find people saying that we should ban or restrict Islam, or ban or restrict Muslims. Immigration control and increased inspections and surveillance of such peoples has been suggested over time. It's always brought up whenver some Middle-Eastern person or group blows somthing up. Government members have suggested it. Presidential candidates have suggested it. People have suggested it. It echoes across the media.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-muslim-immigration-us_5665f75de4b072e9d1c7252b

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/la-na-donald-trump-muslim-database-20151121-story.html

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Government-Monitor-Muslims/2015/11/27/id/703717/
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes in a way it is hypercritical. But you are dealing with voting blocks. Muslim jihadists do not vote.
     
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    cplstiffy New Member

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    You missed it yet again. What I mean is people raising hell in the streets and things of that nature. I heard it all over the place. Immigration control and increased inspections is totally different. Its a national security standpoint so that's an invalid argument. You can't even begin to argue that the people complaining about being oppressed and discriminated against are correct because they aren't. they want division, they feel like theyre owed something. For example, you always hear people saying that women should be treated EQUAL to mean right? Well why is it that if I hit a woman everyone flips out and says you shouldn't hit a woman. That's not equal. Equality is only truly equality when it is 100% of the time. Any less and its discrimination and it happens all the time. Minorities say they're discriminated against yet, when I apply for the grants, tax exemptions, and so on that ONLY THEY get its okay. Its no big deal bc they're owed something. Right?
    If I made a television channel called "White Entertainment" I bet people would be upset. If I made an all white school, church, or organization I bet people would be upset. You can't argue that none of that is true, if you do you're either braindead or blind to the world.

    Also you claim not over public property. I should have the same rights as everyone else if it were truly public. You have the right not to go where it is.
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    cplstiffy New Member

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    What does them voting or not voting have to do with it?
     
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    upside-down cake Well-Known Member

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    Really? There's no such thing as racism...sexism...corruption...bias...? It's all a figment of people's imagination. Every one of their complaints is imaginary, but your's are compltely valid?

    There is no such thing as absolute equality, of course. When we say equality in terms of rights in the country, we are talking about equality under the law. This means the law will not be applied or enforced on anyone differently.

    Minorities are not the only ones who get tax exemptions, grants, welfare, subsidies, etc. When the government does give a disproportionate amount to on group or another, it can be argued that this is unfair, sure, but it also might be due to certain circumstances. Farmers might be subsidized more than others based on particular circumstances. Charities and certain organizations may get tax exemptions based on certain circumstances. And sometimes, such things are employed to rectify big problems that create bad situations. Things like Affirmative Action were meant to counter the countries historic racism- the culture of suppressing and extorting a people carried out over centuries. It's not like they are outright shoving Black people in high positions anyway- this is not how Affirmative Action works. Notice how we still have a large majority of Caucasian's in any office- government, economic, educational, or otherwise.

    In other words, no, strict equality is an illusion. It's never been a part of this country, is not at the moment, and these concessions that are given to minorities in no way empowr them over the Caucasian majority. I mean, describe it for me, do you think the government is secretly trying to hand over it's power and wealth to minorities? In some ways, I think you are right. Things are given to people in exchange for political currency, but this happens on all sides of that condition, but they will never empower people over themselves.

    This is true. I have disapproved of this in the past as well. This and things like a Black Congressional Caucus...
     
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    cplstiffy New Member

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    You can't even begin to argue that the people complaining about being oppressed and discriminated against are correct because they aren't. they want division, they feel like theyre owed something.
    ^I mean the ones who claim oppression based on race, gender, sex, religion, etc. I didn't mean everybody all the time. We're obviously talking about the ones who are falsely accusing.

    the laws aren't always enforced properly. If a pastor doesn't want to marry a gay couple (because it is legitimately against his religion) he can be put in jail. What about the first amendment? No where does it say freedom of religion until it offends someone. That is exactly what it is trying to stop. Also, I get a heavier sentence I assault a woman. Explain that.

    You can argue farmers all you want, anyone can be a farmer. Not anyone can be black, Hispanic, a woman, etc. So that doesn't work. When something is done for the sole purpose because you're a certain demographic that is discrimination. Say what you want but its the truth. I've never gotten a grant because im white, nor a tax exemption.
     
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    Alucard New Member Past Donor

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    But there are plenty of people who want to ban all Muslims from entering the United States and this was way before the tragic San Bernardino gun massacre.
     

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