Explosion in Ankara today

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  1. Jazz

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    A major explosion has taken place in central Ankara and smoke can currently be seen from the explosion site, local media reported Wednesday.

    The explosion reportedly took place in a military housing complex and several people sustained injuries. According to local broadcaster CNN Turk, the blast occurred near the country's parliament building.

    Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu has been informed of the incident, the cause of which is yet unclear, CNN Turk reports.

    At least five casualties were reported, local authorities said.


    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160217/1034920895/explosion-center-ankara.html
     
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    Not in a military housing complex near one I think and in the rush hour

    I am apparently not allowed to copy and past this so you will need to go to link ;)

    http://www.usnews.com/news/world/ar...ge-explosion-in-ankara-injures-several-people

    These things are happening a bit too often in Turkey, sad to say.
     
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    Since it was near the military complex and meant to hurt the military and not civilians, it was probably the PKK. Had it been Kurds that were killed, Alawites or foreign tourists of nations they were mad at, then I would say it was the Turkish MIT working alone or together with ISIS.
     
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    Then again it could have been a false flag attack by the Turkish MIT to accuse the Syrian Kurds, they make a habit of these things. ..like for instance the chemical attacks in Syria so as to accuse Assad, and the bombing of the hospitals in Aleppo so as to accuse Russia.

    I'm curious now to see who the Turks will blame.
     
  6. Jeannette

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    According to Greekdefense.net: Kurds blew up armored car with dozens of Turkish police in Ankara - Five dead ten injured.

    Since it was the police, then it was probably the Kurds. There is a war going on in the East against the police and military.
     
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    Yes, I am hearing the Kurds as well. 18 dead and 45 injured at the last count.
     
  8. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tempers are flying, much is at stake.

    Some info from your link:

    ANKARA, Turkey (AP) — At least five people died and 10 others were injured in a large explosion in the Turkish capital on Wednesday, believed to have been caused by a car bomb, Ankara's governor said.

    According to Governor Kiliclar the bomb appeared to have targeted a convoy of buses with military personnel.
    Several cars caught fire.
    It is not clear who was behind the bombing.
    The Turkish government is facing an array of challenges right now and this attack comes at a very tense time.

    A fragile peace process with the Kurdish rebels collapsed in the summer.
    The Syrian war is raging along Turkey's southern border. Airstrikes by Russian and Syrian bombers have prompted tens of thousands of Syrian refugees to flee to Turkey's border. Turkey refuses to let them in, despite being urged to do so by the UN and the EU, but at least is sending aid to the refugee camps right across the border.

    I would say, the present situation in Turkey is tense. And now this explosion in the middle of Ankara on top of everything, that could unleash Erdogan's fury.
     
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    Here is an interesting hypothesis from Moon of Alabama:

    Today's Attack In Ankara Could Be A False Flag Incident

    In March 2014 tape recordings of a meeting between the Turkish then Foreign Minister Davutoglu, the chief of the Turkish intelligence MIT Hakan Fidan and others leaked to the public. They talked about a false flag attack on Turkey to be used as a justification for a Turkish attack on Syria. The news was mostly ignored by the "western" main stream media. As I wrote about the tape:

    The major points from my view:

    Turkey has delivered 2,000 trucks of weapons and ammunition to the insurgents in Syria.
    There are plans for false flag attacks on Turkey or Turkish property to justify an attack from Turkey on Syria.
    The Turkish military has great concerns going into and fighting Syria.
    The general atmosphere between these deciders is one of indecisiveness. Everyone seems to be unclear what Erdogan wants and is waiting for clear orders from above.
    Shortly before the meeting the U.S. military presented fresh plans for a no-fly zone over Syria.​


    MK Bhadrakumar, who was India's ambassador in Turkey in 1998-2001, reminds us that disagreements between Turkey and the U.S., like the ones we have seen during the last weeks, are not necessarily what they seem:

    Although Washington and Ankara appear to be preoccupied with a verbal brawl over christening Syrian Kurds as “terrorists” or not, there is a long history of the two NATO allies working in tandem while dissimulating difference of opinion to mislead outsiders.

    Turkey has a consistent record of making defiant noises but ultimately falling in line with Washington’s guidelines. Such situations can be multiplied. Thus, it is entirely conceivable that the open support voiced by German Chancellor Angela Merkel on Monday for Turkey’s proposal to create a ‘no-fly zone’ in Syria would have enjoyed some measure of American approval.

    Turkey's Prime Minister yesterday said they would not give up on the Azaz pocket and the city of the same name currently held by CIA/Turkey/Saudi sponsored terrorists against the Russian supported Syrian Kurds.

    The hectic communications over the last days, the likely fall of Azaz to Syrian Kurds and this "terror attack" in Ankara lets me assume that we will very soon witness a serious escalation by Turkey and its allies against Syria and its allies.

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/
     
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    No, Turkey can't get away with blaming today's attack in Ankara on Syria. That would be a big mistake. Everybody can see that Syria has her hands full with other things. Instead, I think, they might blame it on the Kurds.
    I found this from Kuweit:
    http://news.kuwaittimes.net/website/ankara-blast-kills-28/

    I'm really not that familiar with Turkey and don't understand why the Kurds would do this attack, if they want something from Tuerkey. This way they won't get anything, but retaliation.
     
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    Is there anything you won't blame on a false flag attack? Besides anything Russia does of course. That's always legit.

    - - - Updated - - -

    The Turks and the Kurds have been at eachothers throats for centuries. It's just another one of those Muslim secular wars. They are way past peaceful conversation to get anything done.
     
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    Here's a summary of what's going on in Turkey. Erdogan needed more electoral seats to become president so he could give himself more powers, but the votes he needed went to the Kurdish party so he decided to restart a war with the Kurds. It was a political maneuver. What he didn't expect was how well prepared the Kurds were this time when they declared their independence.

    In order to restart the war, the MIT (Turkish Intelligence) working with ISIS had a terrorist attack on some young Kurds as they were making plans to rebuild the city of Kobani.... and then right before the election there was another terrorist attack during a peace march which killed over one hundred Kurdish marchers. The police which should have been there to protect them, were no where around, so again the suspicion lay on the government.

    There is a civil war going on now in the southeast, and hundreds of police and soldiers have been killed and in retaliation towns have been demolished and hundreds of Kurd fighters and civilians have been killed.

    What the author fears is that it might have been a false flag attack since it's exactly the same as an attack in 2014. That one turned out to be a false flag one so Turkey could use it as an excuse to invade Syria. PM Devotoglu did say that there is no way they will allow the Kurds to take over the town of Azaz which is close to the Turkish border, and Turkey is now demanding that it be given the city and some land away from its border as a no fly zone..
     
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    What should arouse suspicion that this might have been a false flag attack like the one in 2014, is Erdogan's response. It would be interesting to know what was the ethnic or political make up of those killed:

    Our determination to respond to such attacks carried out inside and outside our borders is becoming stronger with such acts," he said. "It should be known that Turkey will not hesitate to use its right of self-defense, at any time, at any place or any situation," said the Turkish president.

    - See more at: http://www.pronews.gr/portal/201602...θα-απαντήσουμε-εντός-και#sthash.sT1ua19t.dpuf
     
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    White House, German chancellor condemn attack

    "I'm telling the Turkish people: we as Germans are sharing your pain," German Chancellor Angela Merkel said in a statement Wednesday. "In the battle against those responsible for these inhuman acts we are on the side of Turkey."

    The White House also condemned the attack Wednesday night.

    "We stand together with Turkey, a NATO ally, a strong partner, and a valued member of the counter-ISIL coalition in the face of this attack," said Ned Price, a spokesman for the White House National Security Council, using an alternate acronym for the Islamic State group.

    U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon also condemned the explosion and "hopes the perpetrators of this terrorist attack will be swiftly brought to justice," U.N. spokesman Stephane Dujarric said.

    They all get upset, these dignitaries, but don't care how many people they kill with their armies.
     
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    If you mean "Syrian Kurds" as PYD, that has a close relationship with PKK.

    And most of Turks see PYD/YPG as a dog which has no owner and USA and Russia try to be owner of them in order to save their own interests in the region and we also think that ISIS was an infrastructure to show PYD as innocent and right. USA and Russia were really want to destroy ISIS, they would have already done that.

    I think my country should freeze relationship with United States. We should kick your ass from Incirlik air base. You are double faced and a "so-called ally. "

    You feed the separatist Kurds and you sold us. You are directly responsible for Ankara terror attack since you gave the weapons to Kurds
     
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    We don't know either way, but a false flag is a distinct possibility as it could be used to strengthen Erdogan's position on the continued shelling of Kurds in Syria. And with Turkey's very unusual history in Gladio (it was the only nation of the NATO alliance that was given a completely free hand on Gladio false flag terrorist operations), I don't think it can be ruled out.
     
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    That would be an interesting development...

    I'll buy the popcorn and rent the comfy armchairs if and when it happens.
     
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    My condolences to the Turkish ppl, on this topic alone I agree with Erdugan, they should create a 10 Km security zone in Syria.
     
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    What kind of human being are you? Why do you continue calling PKK terrorists as KURDS?
    In PKK there are Americans, Serbians, Syrians, many other Arabs, Armenians together with Kurds.
    You are not an honest person. You like blood and you like bloody conversations.
    Shame on you.
     
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    And there it is just as predicted by Moon of Alabama, that it was a false flag attack so Turkey can attack Syria. Fidan of the MIT is an expert at these things, he doesn't care how many people he kills. The Syrian chemical attack comes to mind.
     
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    Here's an excerpt from an article in RT which explains everything very nicely:

    "...Meanwhile, Ankara has come in for sharp criticism from the United Nations, Washington and Paris for its cross-border artillery fire, which, on the face of it, constitutes an act of aggression against a sovereign state. The US has even called on Ankara to cease firing. Erdogan snubbed the appeal and vowed to continue the cross-border shelling.

    In this context, it would seem entirely stupid of the YPG or its Kurdish affiliates in Turkey to carry out a terror attack in the capital. The Kurds would only be squandering valuable international political support by committing such an atrocity.

    However, if the terror attack can be pinned on the YPG, that would serve Erdogan very conveniently. Which raises the question: who really did pull it off? The sophisticated style, in the heart of Ankara, with precision timing strongly suggests a state military agency. (MIT) In short, a false flag terror attack.

    The political consequences play to Erdogan’s advantage. It bolsters his claims that the Kurdish militants are “terrorists” and unworthy of Washington’s support. At the same time, it allows the Turks to step up their military campaign in Syria, calling for a no-fly zone and, furthermore, to solicit the go-ahead from Obama for a ground invasion.


    https://www.rt.com/op-edge/332859-terror-turkey-erdogan-us-russia/
     
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    Nice to hear this statement.

    Even our past political crisis Israelis understand our worries
     
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    Lets suppose so.

    But why the terrorist came from Syria and why he is a Syrian Kurd ?

    You are the real master of "false flags" , just like 9/11, it was a real ground to invade Afghanistan and your dirty works and do not really care about how many people died.

    Whatever, always, human beings blame each other for something because mainly they think the others are same with them. :)
     
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    And how do you know the terrorist is a Syrian, when no one in Turkey would dare question it without being arrested as an accomplice to terrorism? The Turkish reporters that do so should be awarded for their courage, especially considering in the US all they have to fear is losing their careers, and yet they're not willing to do so.

    Anyway I do see Turkey's problem, but AKP doesn't want to solve it, it wants to use it to foster their ambitions towards an empire. Not that empires are bad, but they're only as good as the mentality behind them, and Erdogan's and Devotuglu's leave a lot to be desired.
     

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