Extra Terrestrials... Good or Bad

Discussion in 'Science' started by DarkDaimon, Dec 14, 2018.

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If extra-terrestrials were to visit Earth, they would be...

  1. vicious, colonizing warmongers, after our resources.

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  2. enlightened, peaceful explorers, wanting to learn from us.

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  3. opportunistic capitalists, trying to expand their markets.

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  4. fanatic, religious missionaries, out to convert the galaxy.

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  5. Other

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  1. Creasy Tvedt

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    Or, it's a powerful demonstration that they don't exist.
     
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    Are you sure?
     
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    There are a plethora of military reports of them intervening in human affairs, esp wrt nuclear weapons. For example, at Big Sur they apparently shot down a missile with a dummy warhead, with something that appeared to be a LASER type weapon. At Malmstrom AFB they apparently disabled about a dozen nuclear missiles.
     
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    There are simpler explanations for all of those instances.

    Aliens is always an implausible likelihood, because none of the alien stuff ever goes anywhere but around in circles.
     
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    Both of those are from over 10 years ago talking about something that supposedly happened over 50 years ago.

    Has anything about aliens having been involved actually been confirmed?
     
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    Then why don't farmers roll down their crops?
     
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    I'm certainly not shocked that the military would deny shooting down a missile that had a dummy warhead or tested the hardiness of nuclear missiles to various kinds of assault.

    On a more positive note, the Navy has created a new reporting mechanism for unknown phenomena that are witnessed. The feeling was that making a UFO report carried a stigma that was causing pilots not to report such events.

    The point here is that people aren't denying that phenomena are witnessed - it's just that there are various sources other than visits from outer space.
     
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    One thing we can observe from our own planet, is that many more life forms exist, than have adopted ethics and morals. Human beings being the only species on our planet to have developed these traits, and even within humans, it is not exactly common.

    The assumption that ethics and morals are consistent with technical intelligence is in no way certain, or even probable. What history has shown is that when a more advanced species or culture comes in contact with a less developed one, it usually means the subjugation or elimination of the less developed species or culture.
     
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    I suspect they operate under a "Prime Directive," similar to that seen on the Star Trek series. I am often surprised by the inability of so many of us to imagine intelligent beings with no interest in military dominance, warfare or even stealing what is so clearly available. It's not the ETs that worry me. It's the humans.
     
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    I don't understand your question.
     
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    Yes.
     
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    Yes, they interceded, but never harmed human personnel. They are peaceful, but don't want us using nuclear weapons against each other. I applaud them for interceding. We humans need to move away from violence to get what we want. Then, maybe ETs will have more interest in actually accepting us as part of the peaceful interstellar community.
     
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    This answer contradicts the previous one. Either they control events or they don't. So which is it?
     
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    I agree with the last two sentences.
     
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    This all sounds like wishful thinking, and making up excuses for why there's never been any solid confirmation of their existence.
     
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    They generally refrain from interfering with us, but on occasion, will do something to protect the planet or help avoid potential human-human conflicts. I commend them for their help & wish we humans would learn to do that on our own.
     
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    Our military knows they're here & has had contact with them. But the military don't want us to know, and has been keeping it a secret for over 50 years, thinking we're not mature enough to deal with it. They're afraid of mass hysteria, but I don't think that would happen--especially knowing how peaceful they are. I think most humans today would welcome them here, though for sure there would be individuals or groups of individuals who would not, and that could be dangerous.
     
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    Why in the world do you have such strong opinions? Even if we assume they are here, how can you possibly know their motives? Maybe they lie? Maybe they abduct and kill people.

    If you look at people who claim to have direct interactions with ETs, it isn't usually good.
     
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    What would be solid confirmation?
     
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    Something actual scientists could examine, and confirm to be of extraterrestrial technological or biological origin.

    You go to a UFO conference, and there's zero science going on, or confirmation of anything. It's all wild speculation and hucksterism.

    It's also telling that the evidence of ET UFOs doesn't seem to get any better as the technology to gather that evidence has advanced by leaps and bounds, and it's become available to anyone and everyone.
     
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    Not buying it.

    I was in the military. Military personnel are humans, they're not secret-keeping robots. Humans are terrible at keeping secrets, and the secret of ETs is about THEE biggest secret ever, and the biggest secrets are the hardest to keep.

    If the military had any solid evidence, somebody credible would've blabbed by now.
     
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    How can you know this much about the aliens when so little is known, and basically nothing has been confirmed?

    It's all speculation. It's more akin to religion than any sort of science.
     
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    Actually, I have talked with several people who have had direct interactions with ETs, and only one had a slightly negative overall reaction to that experience. All the others were very positive, & looked forward to future ET meetings.

    It is common for humans to assume the worst & ascribe their own worst behaviors onto ET, as if they were motivated by the same thinking & desires as we are. But, they're not. ETs are a much higher form of consciousness & are motivated by what we would term "good" motives--meaning good for us & good for the Earth as a living planet. My understanding is they want us to become much more peaceful than we are now, & more open to the positive aspects of joining them & their interstellar community as an eventual equal partner. That would literally open new worlds to us, which I think would be tremendously exciting.
     
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    Some have. There are several 'Ufologists" who have worked with former military personnel who have revealed their secret military experiences with ETs. I recommend the work of Dr Steven Greer as a starting point. There are several Youtube videos of him giving lectures around the country. He's had face to face experiences with ETs himself, & is a good source for military & government incidents as well.
     

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