F-22 (Raptor) attacked a Russian attack aircrafts Su-25

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    Oh, you can't argue with the russian consortium here....you're either Mis-informed, un-informed, ignorant, or just plain dumb, if you so much as remotely disagree with their "vision":).

    It's best to put those posters on ignore....I've got a few on that list.
     
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    Russia able to fight US militarily"....if US wanted we could be in downtown moscow with what hardware we have in the Baltics and Poland:)).
    Russia has its nukes which is its ace in the hole, your military just attacks weaker countries like georgia, Ukraine, and still suffer heavy casualties:)).
     
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    Links???
     
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    Every Russian I've known farted as much as they talked....which smelled the same either way. Ahh, I forgot the Russian economy sucks so bad, they can't afford potatoes anymore. My bad. Russia's standard of living is less than China's and Mexico's.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrap...fe-indicators-worse-than-chinas/#5355fadb571e
     
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    So far the terrorism was defeated only in one country and it is not Afghanistan, it is not Iraq, It is not Libya. It is Syria where UA Army had all the possible hardware in quantities that it was enough even for the terrorists themselves, but for some reason the only country where Russian forces without any nukes engaged in the fight (of course with our allies who shouldn't be forgotten..., although they were losing without Russia) there was a victory. Once US Army learns how to defeat armed fanatics I would think about their possibility to cross Russian border and make 5 miles to its territory. At the moment it is absolutely and ultimately impossible for the state and level of development of the US Army.

    As for Georgia they attacked and were defeated. Russians had casualties but less than Georgians although it was American supervision which they were trained. In Ukraine the trained soldiers were absolutely crushed by local militia. In all of these conflicts the American proxies outnumbered and were heavily armed. But due to absolute incompetence of American commandment which has traditions of feeding the opponents with cannon fodder and steal the money from really expensive and rarely useful military toys these proxies will always suffer at least casualties and very rarely will get the aim. How is it going in Racca? :) I heard about some precision bombing there... :)
     
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    If it's not potatoes its a cabbage soup they eat called "kapusta", I've seen it, but not tasted, and smells just as bad as farts if not worse.;)).
     
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    Da, tovarish. That is what your Soviet Russian masters told you. За здоровье!

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    The sparkling American humor. :(
     
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    Nice spin....what happened in Afghanistan in 89? Your mighty military was defeated by a few *********s on horseback. Great fighters you russkis are, and subsequently led to your collapse:)).
     
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    Never smoke around Russians....especially when they've been drinking.

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    LOL, I posted that same pic way back....what is it with these russian males and NO TEETH?
    These are East Ukraine's Elite rebels, Za Stalina, Za Rodino!!:))
     
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    Dai bozheh....vahm!
     
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    The Soviet Socialist dental program was just swishing with a shot of vodka, no toothbrushes.

    BTW, how do we know the toothbrush was inwented in Mother Russia? If it'd been invented anywhere else, we'd call it a teethbrush.
     
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    As I understand it was second joke from the standard jest list of an American intellectual. Try to be economical. Your list ends so fast.
     
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    LOL....no doubt...it amazes me to see russian males in their 20s-30s+ with little to no teeth, I've seen it in eastern Siberia some years back, I call it summer teeth...sum are here, summer der:).
    And another is their speech, "inWented", I've noticed it western canada where there was a Russian (doukhobors) settlements, even 2nd generations pronounce V as W, eleWen, seWen, adWice, Walentine, Welocity, etc....must be some speech impediment, go figure.:confused:o_O.
     
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    Soviet army received an order and they came to Afghanistan. They controlled the whole country, being egaged into a new type of war. The terrorists got money and weaponry (the US supplied them not with the horses but with anti-aircraft weapons and all the range of lethal weaponry the US wanted to try) for sneak attacks and terrorism. They could bite, but couldn't win. In 1989 the Soviet Army received an order and left from Afghanistan leaving a legitimate government behind. The politicians failed to get a political win. Soviet ideology appeared to be weaker than terroristic sect of pseudo Islam. That is why we refused of this ideology. This was seen as our collapse and even our loss in cold war. But in fact it wasn't about the military. It was about our will to fight. If we want to fight no one can defeat us. If we don't want to fight - we waste ourselves. That is what we are.
     
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    Two jokes is all a Russian can handle in a day.
     
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    http://www.businessinsider.com/f-22-su-35-intercept-syria-us-major-disadvantage-2017-12

    Some more food for the topic.

    Two US F-22 stealth fighter jets intercepted Russian Su-25 and Su-35 jets that crossed into the US's area of operation over Syria on Wednesday, and it highlights a downside to the US's top fighter jets.

    The F-22, with its incredible acrobatic abilities in air and all-aspect stealth cloaking it from enemies at a distance, is the US's most lethal combat plane.

    While the F-35 has been built as a flying quarterback that can dogfight, bomb ground targets, gather intelligence, or conduct surveillance, the F-22 specializes in one thing: air-to-air combat.

    But with today's rules of engagement, the F-22's huge advantages in stealth mean little.​

    Moreover

    If a fight were to start during an intercept like the one this week, the Russian pilot would start with the huge advantage of having the F-22 in sight. What's more, the Russian Su-35 can actually maneuver better than the F-22.
    The thing is that
    1. Some bright general or colonel, let's call him an officer sent an expensive toy to intercept Russian fighters.
    2. The brave F-22 pilot came into their line trying to scare Russian pilots.
    3. Suddenly Russian interceptor appeared from somewhere and showed the F-22 its rockets, which is in other words interpreted as "**** or I will use this, because I have the order from a dumb Russian major to guard these outdated fighters that no brave soldier attacks them and leaves unpunished".
    4. The message was understood by the brave American pilot. But he couldn't have answered anything, because he cannot show his rockets to prove that he is not just hanging around and he really is a man with sensible orders. Besides, the brave American pilot understands that if he continues to hang out in the line of the fighters he might lose not only his life but a plane which costs more than 3 Russian inefficient and old pieces of machinery, because F-22 is perfect for one thing - it is not able to fly that well as SU-35 and in a dogfight one SU-35 is able to shoot down dosens of these chef-d-oevres of engineering. If you think that F-22 is any worse I need to add that F-22 was not made for dogfight. It was sold as a plane which would sneak unfound, fire a rocket from big distance which will definitely hit the target and leave. Have you ever seen any boastful lies from an American manufacturer? If not this must be true!
    5. The brave pilot returns to his bright officers and leaves a report... And I bet you that it is much funnier than the text you have just read.
     
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    Key phrase.

    Solution? Change the ROE.
     
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    Stalin ordered millions of murders within the soviet union

    His own people

    His idea of “soft and friendly” is very different from mine

    I dont want to into an extended dissertation with you about the Societ Union and the Cold War

    The problem is russia today

    I dont think putin wants a war with the US where its just him and us

    Toe to toas as we say in America

    Man to man

    But he wants to be able to take advantage of our weakness as part of a lager coalition of hostile nations that take on America together

    Thats not a fact because am far away from the Kremlin and not privy to his thoughts

    Its just my opinion based on his recent actions
     
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    I hope that if US decides to attack a country with some war planes the rules will allow the advantage of F-22 to show up...
    But certainly I admire the price. The price of F-22 have beaten every competitor. The only competitor to it is F-35. And with such a tendency the next one will be a double price of them all! Surely with some rules it would be able to show even more advantages against the planes designed in the USSR. At least I believe in it. Really. But so far you can use the planes which were made last century if you want to get a result from the modern air interception.
     
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    Yes, Soviet army received an order, from the Kremlin to invade, since the local tribesmen somewhere in the Panshir valley chopped off the heads of several dozen Soviet "advisors" and sent back to the kremlin saying this is what we think of your ideology, enter 200k+ Soviets.
    As I said, you lost plain and simple, you can't seem to admit that, just like you would've lost to the Germans if it weren't for our help.
    What was it....1mln dead Russians, 2+mln POW...in the first 5 weeks of Barbarossa.;)
    The "chechentzeh" in the 90s were kicking your butts.
    The Finns fought you to a standstill in 39....with knives:)).
     
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    That time will come.

    Unlike Mother Russia which is still struggling to pay their bills, the US has money to burn which is why so many of us sit around chatting about how many guns we own and showing off pictures of our men's toys like this:
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    That is interesting

    Skullduggery was part of the Cold War on both sides

    I dont doubt there were soviet networks opperations within those same countries

    But I was interested in the term “deep state” that was used to describe them since we seem to be Locked in a struggle with our own deep state led by the CIA here in America

    So maybe there is something to it
     
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    Not millions. Thousands.

    I am sure it is so. You haven't been growing up fighting with police and criminals for an idea you cherished more then your own life. You haven't been at war when the counterparty would not just shoot you, but painfully make you die just because they have a different viewpoint at your ideology. You haven't made a carreer in a breaking society, when killing a problematic person was regarded as a leap forward a better society. It's good that you think differently. For I wouldn't understand you if you thought the same.

    And I don't want the short propagandist lies about really tragic pages of my history. So what?

    American missiles are being installed in a 3 minutes flight from my house. I cannot get a salary raise, because the sanctions make it quite difficult to get the finances for expanding the business. I can't even watch Olympics and I am still not sure if americans would allow Syria to live in a well-deserved peace, stopping to play on the side of absolutely insane fanatics. Can you tell me about your problems about Russia? Maybe I could help you out or at least to understand.

    No politician wants it. China wouldn't refuse of it. EU wouldn't refuse of it. ISIS (what is left of it) will not be against.

    I think that your opinion is mostly written or said in you favourite media, which was designed the way that you liked it. I don't think that you have any ideas about facts of your own. At least I haven't seen them so far here.
     

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