F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Of course Obama was colluding with Russia. We have more proof of that than Trump ever colluding with Russia. Simple logic.

A. Oh I don't know. Arm Ukraine like Trump did maybe? You know, instead of doing nothing.

B. "Syria was not a vital US interest" says the same people complaining that Trump is pulling us out of Syria. But sure, tell me more about how Obama drew red lines and allowed the Russians to enter the field.

C. Nothing has been "debunked". Regardless of how it happened, parts of our government thought it was a good idea to sell a controlling interest in uranium production to Russians. You can equivocate on this point all you want, the fact is, it was sold to Russia WITH Obama and Clinton's endorsement. Obama could have stopped this deal. He didn't.

 

John Brennan says that Bonespurs is a "clear and present danger" to the US:

Wow! What a cogent and substantive post!

 

Terrible and superficial responses.

Try some sources.

 

Yeah I already did.

Obama didn't do anything when Russia invaded Ukraine.

Obama didn't do anything when his red line was crossed.

Obama didn't stop the sale of uranium to Russia.

Obama helped Russia far more than Trump has.

These are facts.

 

Hillary's email server was a pretty big deal during the election. Have you forgotten? And all the Trumpers loved Comey back then.

 

Obama always gave Russia and Putin everything they wanted and America got jack **** in exchange.

That's what I liked about President Bush (43) when it came to geopolitics and dealing with Russia and Putin... Bush always walked away getting more than Putin did.

Bush (43), Putin, Trump all play chess on the geopolitical chessboard while Obama played checkers.

 

How did Bush get more than Putin did ?
Trump is a horrible chess player.
Obama was not good either.

Lastly - all 3 were establishment wonks who did what they were told for the most part.

 

It is pertinent to concede that particular high up people at the FBI had it in for trump, and even had an insurance policy to use against him, once he beat hillary. Many people ascertained this politicalization at higher levels in the FBI, as the damning info came out over the last two years. So that must be a consideration. I am afraid just being a high up in the FBI does not get rid of the pettiness of human nature, but I wish that it did.

 

They were fired. End of story. I don't know the current numbers of FBI employees but as of 31 December 2009, the FBI had a total of 33,852 employees. That includes 13,412 special agents and 20,420 support professionals, such as intelligence analysts, language specialists, scientists, information technology specialists, and other professionals.

Logically, there's bound to be a number of people on both sides, pro and anti-Trump.

 

Thank you. I have explained all of this on several occasions to Trump supporters and it is like talking to the brick wall of China.
They keep repeating the same hogwash that they get from the worlds greatest bullshit artist, who makes stuff up as he speaks.

 

It is relevant to the OP, so that's the end of that story. ha ha

Also, it seems odd that these higher ups were involved personally in investigations of this so called conspiracy, instead of handing it off to the agents who generally do it. But that doesn't give pause to those who had trump convicted because this investigation was began after trump fired comey.

 

Re: Bush (43)) and geopolitics and dealing with Putin, I think he had Condoleezza Rice and John Bolton advising him how to negotiate with Putin.

Those anti ballistic missiles were deployed in Europe by Bush as Putin yelled and screamed in protest.

Obama removed those missiles and America got jack **** in exchange for appeasing Putin.

 

This investigation was in progress before Trump fired Comey and that Russian investigation was the reason Comey was fired.
The firing occured because Comey refused to stop the investigation and then it was expanded instead of dropped.​

 

Putting ABM's on Russia's borders is the absolute pinnacle of stupidity based on a massively fraudulent false narrative.

False narrative 1- "missile defense works" - No - it doesn't
False narrative 2 - "missile defense will make us safer" The reverse is true
False narrative 3 - we "appeased" Putin and got nothing in return. Not ramping up the nuclear arms race any further is a hell of a return.
False narrative 4 - Poking the Bear and calling retraction of the poker "appeasement"

Russia can annihilate the US in the blink of an Eye. FULL STOP - End of discussion. This is not "speculation". .. and of course we can do the same to them.

One nuclear sub - 16 missiles 10 MIRV each = 160 missiles 5-7 times Hiroshima. Wipe out 160 US cities (pop greater than 500,000) off the map and let me know what you are left with.

That's one sub - and those warheads are firecrackers compared to the ballistic missiles. Russia no longer makes the 20 megaton variety = 1500 times the energy of Hiroshima but they still have a few. The normal ballistics range from roughly 1-5 megatons 75-375 x Hiroshima - and even this is overkill. Russia can send thousands of these. (400 nukes renders the entire continental US a radioactive no go zone. 2-300 is likely enough however).

Putting ABM's on Russia's border destablized nuclear detente - forcing Russia to take counter measures. They ramped up their sub program - subs that we can not detect btw - and violated the short and intermediate range treaty in response = built nuclear cruise missiles which wold take out the ABM's prior to launch.

They also have deployed a number of other technologies that ABM's are useless against - not that ABM's work in the first place - because they don't.

In the event that Russia was not 100% sure that they did not have the capability to wipe the US off the map a number of times over - they would have put nukes in Space - and they stated this publicly.

Right now nuke from Russia (with love) takes 30 min to get here. Not sure about you but having nukes above my head in space 30 seconds away does not make me feel safer - talk about "hair trigger".

In the event of a real deal nuclear war. The first thing that happens is out satellites get taken out concurrently with the ABM's. The Subs then launch a number atmospheric blasts which takes out the power grid and much electronics.

Then in darkness we wait for the friggen end of the USA.

I think avoiding this scenario - or racing towards this scenario - is "Jack - something"

 

I'm not an oozlefinch...

But there is an oozlefinch on the PF and why not ask Mushroom if a SCUD missile can be shot down.

I would make a Vegas bet yes missiles can be shot down.

The missiles that Bush (43) deployed in Europe was for a missile shield from Iranian missiles targeting Europe. Not Russian missiles.

Today U.S. Navy destroyers and cruisers in the Mediterranean provides Europe's missile shield and yes, America pays for Europe's missile shield.
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/RL33745.pdf

 

No idea what an oozlefinch is -and nor is it relevant.

What a bizarre and nonsensical response .. seriously ?! SCUD missile ? are you kidding me. Your actually trying to compare shooting down a SCUD missile - to shooting down a Russian ballistic missile. I have debated Mushroom at length on this topic - and he lost badly. That said .. I doubt Mushroom would make such a silly comparison.

There is no legitimate expert that thinks we can defend against a full out Russian missile attack - at least not with current technology. We may luck out and be able to hit one - but even this is difficult.

The idea that ABM's on Russia's border are for Iranian missiles is laughable nonsense -- fodder for the gullible raging masses.

First of all - why on earth would you locate ABM's in Poland and Czech if one is trying to defend Europe - given the best way to take out a ballistic missile is in the boost phase - meaning you need to put your ABMs as close to Iran as possible .. Our bases in Saudi Arabia and Turkey - or in Israel for example.

http://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/m...re-bmd-systems-2/boost-phase-missile-defense/

If there is nothing reliable in the boost phase - good luck hitting a ballistic missile mid course or in the terminal stage - never mind a full out missile launch. That is the reality.

Then - not surprisingly - you completely avoid discussion of the other points which make missile defense against Russia a bad Joke.

I would like nothing better than to be able to defend against such an attack - I have no interest in experiencing a nuclear holocaust.

You on the other hand - by buying into this nonsense - are supporting ramping up the nuclear arms race. WTF ?

I realize this is all based on the fantasy that we have the ability to defend ourselves against such an attack at present - The reality is that we do not.

We have a total of 44 ground based interceptors (GBI's) That is the sum total of our ability to defend against ICBM's. 40 at Ft. Greenly Alaska and 4 at Vanderberg Air Force Base in California. These are kinetic kill interceptors meaning - you need a direct hit = the ability to hit a bullet with a bullet - except the bullet is coming at you way faster than a normal bullet.

This technology is reliant on Early Warning Radar in the UK and Greenland - which of course would be taken out prior to launch but, even if that were not the case ... the ability of a GBI to take out a ballistic missile is sketchy at best. The testing - in perfect controlled conditions - have not had a solid track record of success. Good luck in real conditions with decoys so on.

And then of course there is the glaring problem that we only have 44 interceptors. Russia can launch thousands of Missiles.

The idea that we are would not be completely destroyed in a full out Russian nuke attack is complete and utter fantasy ... never mind ..the Subs - slow moving drones - and hypersonic technology.

MAD

 

I must have missed it.

Can you link to the specific thread ?

Re: OOZLEFINCH

THE OOZLEFINCH


THE OOZLEFINCH, A MYTHICAL BIRD, HAS A LONG AND DISTINGUISHED HISTORY WITH THE MANY U.S. ARMY ARTILLERY BRANCHES. OUR PARTICULAR SUB-SPECIES BELONGS TO THE AIR DEFENSE ARTILLERY FAMILY AND HAD EVOLVED TO POSSESS UNIQUE QUALITIES. IT WAS COMPLETELY FEATHERLESS, FLEW BACKWARDS AT SUPERSONIC SPEEDS, AND PREYED ON SOVIET BOMBERS, WHICH IT SNATCHED OUT OF THE SKY WITH ITS POWERFUL TALONS.

THE ORDER OF THE OOZLEFINCH WAS A DISTINGUISHED AWARD GIVEN TO NIKE MISSILEMEN WHO DEMONSTRATED SPECIAL AND UNIQUE QUALITIES. THOUGH THE CRITERIA FOR THE AWARD WAS A CLOSELY GUARDED SECRET, IT WAS KNOWN TO BE NEGOTIABLE!

http://nikemissile.org/Theoozlefinch.shtml

 

1) no ... are you serious .. do you keep track of all of your posts. What a silly request - regardless.
2) I gave you the information - complete with links - in the post you are responding to .. What part of "we only have 44 interceptors" are you having trouble comprehending ? Did you think Mushroom was going to magically create more out of thin air ?

3) You did get one thing right - Missile Defense against a full on Russian ICBM attack is an OOZLEFINCH.

 

Untrue. Obama responded with sanctions and tried diplomacy. Those didn't work.

Meanwhile Russia recently shut off Ukraine access to the Sea of Azov. Ukraine called for NATO's help. Trump's response? Nothing. Much weaker than Obama eating a vegan diet.

Oh look! A source! You should try that once in awhile.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-mocking-obama-over-crimea-backfires-russia-ukraine-crisis-2018-11[/QUOTE]

Debunked: Again---a source!

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/04/obama-red-line-syria/522402/

No, those are not "facts". It's your illogical conspiracy theory claim.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_One

"The Uranium One controversy is a complex conspiracy theory accusing Bill Clinton, The Clinton Foundation, Hillary Clinton, the Obama administration, high level officials in Russia, the State Department, Uranium One, and the FBI of allegedly compromising national-security interests, bribery, and suppressing evidence.[30][31][32][33] All parties denied the accusations, and no evidence of wrongdoing has been found after three years of allegations, an FBI investigation, a House Intelligence Committee inquiry, and the 2017 appointment of a Federal Attorney to evaluate the investigation

What else do you need---divine intervention to prove you wrong for the 120th time?

 

Indeed.

 

The world's greatest bullsh*t artist is the US MSM.

It's completely taken over with Trump Derangement Syndrome, and has lost all credibility.

 

Tell me about all the lies that the MSM spews. They only report what Trump says and does. What he says and does is so outrageous that even you can't believe that the reporting is accurate. Do they occasionally make mistakes? Of course, and they correct them when they realize the mistake.
The problem is that you are sucked into believing everything Trump utters. For exam[le: "Nobody knows more about technology than me", "I know more than the generals", "Mexico will pay for the wall. They are aware of it", and myriad and sundry other fabrications.

 

I don't support anyone, I'm not American. But this is like Whitewater, the investigation is sweeping up folks who have done wrong when they come under scrutiny but not touching its' actual target.

 

At Trump's direction, Rosenstein made that recommendation due to Comey's handling of the Hilary emails and Trump used that letter,
much to Rosenstein's dismay, to justify the firing over the Russian investigation. Rosenstein got conned by your expert con-man in chief. Don't you know that?

 

They were fired because they tried to use their position to sabotage a democratically elected leader who hadn't even taken office yet?