FACT: Life starts at conception.

I started this thread to share scientific information addressing the question of when a human life starts.The information comes from Medical textbooks, Medical dictionaries…from universities such as Harvard and from such medical institutions as Mayo Clinic. Others come from Scientific Encyclopedias and from experts in their fields.


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"The chromosomes of the oocyte and sperm are...respectively enclosed within female and male pronuclei. These pronuclei fuse with each other to produce the single, diploid, 2N nucleus of the fertilized zygote. This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development."
[Larsen, William J. Human Embryology. 2nd edition. New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1997, p. 17]

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"Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."
[O'Rahilly, Ronan and Müller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}]

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"Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)... The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual."
[Carlson, Bruce M. Patten's Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3]

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"[A]nimal biologists use the term embryo to describe the single cell stage, the two-cell stage, and all subsequent stages up until a time when recognizable humanlike limbs and facial features begin to appear between six to eight weeks after fertilization....
"[A] number of specialists working in the field of human reproduction have suggested that we stop using the word embryo to describe the developing entity that exists for the first two weeks after fertilization. In its place, they proposed the term pre-embryo....
"I'll let you in on a secret. The term pre-embryo has been embraced wholeheartedly by IVF practitioners for reasons that are political, not scientific. The new term is used to provide the illusion that there is something profoundly different between what we nonmedical biologists still call a six-day-old embryo and what we and everyone else call a sixteen-day-old embryo.
"The term pre-embryo is useful in the political arena -- where decisions are made about whether to allow early embryo (now called pre-embryo) experimentation -- as well as in the confines of a doctor's office, where it can be used to allay moral concerns that might be expressed by IVF patients. 'Don't worry,' a doctor might say, 'it's only pre-embryos that we're manipulating or freezing. They won't turn into real human embryos until after we've put them back into your body.'"
[Silver, Lee M. Remaking Eden: Cloning and Beyond in a Brave New World. New York: Avon Books, 1997, p. 39]


http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html

 

Some of the world’s most prominent scientists and physicians testified to a U.S. Senate committee that human life begins at conception:

A United States Senate Judiciary Subcommittee invited experts to testify on the question of when life begins. All of the quotes from the following experts come directly from the official government record of their testimony.

 

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And from the National Review Online

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YAWWWWN....abortion is legal

 

LMAO I knew you would be the first in here...and your reply......PRICELESS.

IT IS ALL YOU CAN SAY. NOTHING. Life starts at conception....and that what your position condones is killing living human unborn children. And then you hide behind the law. The same thing people who hold this position would have done back in slavery days. THEY DID NOTHING BUT TURNED AWAY...AND TRIED TO ACT MORAL.

I presented fact here and not from a religious POV.

Yes, the fact speak for themselves...don't they?

 

The sperm and the egg are dead until they meet? Abortion is legal.

 

There's nothing to say, you're right...abortion is legal...even YOURS was.

 

By 8 weeks, all major organs and body systems have already been formed. There is nothing inside the body of a newborn baby that does not exist inside an 8 week fetus. It is just a matter of size. The only reason the fetus cannot survive outside at this point is simply because the organs and lungs are not big enough to be functional to the necessary extent needed for independant survival.

Some people think that just because a fetus is so tiny means that it cannot be a person. While it is true an 8 week old fetus is only 4cm long, it is also true that a newborn baby is much shorter than an adult. Many 2 year old children can already talk, yet they are less than half the height of an adult.

8 week fetus: 4 cm
fetus at viability point: 28 cm
newborn baby: 50 cm
2 year old: 85 cm
adult: 180 cm

While a viable fetus is 7 times the length of an 8 week old fetus, it is also true that an adult is about 7 times the length of a viable fetus. Yet we do not claim that a prematurely born 24 week fetus is not a person just because it is seven times smaller. Humans can come in a range of different sizes.

An 8 week old fetus has everything that a baby has, it is just smaller.



(above) actual 8 week old fetus, outside the womb but still in its amniotic sac


Human life may not actually start at the moment of conception, but it does come into existence soon after.

 

the creation of the shell begins at the time the sperm and egg are joined, when the mind enters the body is up for debate

just like a person can die yet their body live on, same is true in the begining, the cells can exist prior to the mind, life force, soul, what ever you choose to call it


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This is simply untrue....the most important Organ in the body (the brain), is no where near done forming and incapable of controlling the basic bodily functions as of yet.

Let alone thinking:

"By 8 weeks the brain is highly developed9 and makes up approximately 43 percent of the embryo’s total weight. Growth continues at an extraordinary rate. One of the major control centers for the body - the hypothalamus - begins to take form. The hypothalamus eventually controls body temperature, heart rate, blood pressure, fluid balance, and the secretion of vitally important hormones by the pituitary gland."
http://www.ehd.org/dev_article_unit8.php

 

You presented NO fact, but a lot of personal opinions from a bunch of random people.

 

Human Life does indeed begin at conception, life however started long before that. The cellular activity required to form a Human is not in debate....over the next several months many things may prevent the cells from becoming a viable human animal. Science is in agreement that once the egg and sperm combine the process begins, a new DNA combination starts, and the eventual result (if uninterrupted) will be a separate and unique human being.

That you felt the need to provide data explaining scientific support for something blatantly obvious likely assumes you for some strange reason think it pertinent to your argument against abortion.

Fail.

 

and as far as I am aware not once has anyone said a unique human life doesn't start at conception, human life in its self actually started a long, long time before.
however a few cells does not a person make, otherwise every single cell in our body would be a human person . .The only logical point where a fetus can be granted personhood is when it has the capability to survive outside of the womb.

 

Well it is clearly a homicide, which you have repeatedly lied and denied.

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So you think we are talking about something other than the life of a human being here? Seriously?

He needed to post it because too many ignorant pinhead pro abrtionists here claim that abortion is not a homicide, it obviously is by the information Church posted and by your own admission.

You FAIL

 

LOL! Such DEEP MEANINGFUL, PITHY responses.....LOL!

 

the holocaust was legal too.

 

I consider that a concession speech.

 

Colonel you are wrong. Both are alive...but when they join they create a living human being.

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Many who hold the pro-abort position would have been on Hitlers side.

 

I started this thread so that when someone questions as to when life starts...or when pro-aborts want proof...I don't have to waste the time and energy to keep posting it in different threads.

And you see it upsets them to no end.

Cause they can't come back with anything more credible than what is posted.

 

Nobody's upset. We've heard it all before. We've answered it all before. The fact is that the BEGINNING of a human being, wherever you put that point, is not A human being. But it doesn't matter anyway, because a woman is not obligated to shelter within her body any human being at all. Women are no more obligated to provide their wombs, accompanied by the whole rest of their bodies, to save a zef's life, than any person is obligated to provide blood, bone marrow, extra kidney, or whatever to save some human being's life.

 

You simply CANNOT refute what he says, it is scientific fact. The beginning of a human being is a human being, just as an infant is the same human being as the adult he/she grows into.

So you are saying women should be able to invite the child in to her womb by engaging in the activity she knows risks pregnancy, then brutally tear the child limb from limb when she decides the time is just not right?

Wow, heartless and deceptive as well.

 

That's nice. What a lot of trouble. Eggs cells and sperm cells are living cells. Therefore, life begins with them. No one debates that zygotes or living organisms. The debate is whether or not to call them human beings. A human liver cell is human, but no one insists that it is a human being. The meaningful debate is when to call a collection of human cells a human being and nothing of what you supplied above answers that question. By the way, most evidence suggests that a majority of such cellular unions do not progress to the production of human babies. Most end in spontaneous abortion. Guess something about them wasn't ready.

 

The fact that many die has some bearing on whether or not they are human beings? Wow, the things that pass for logic these days.
The fact is that no walking around breathing living human being exists today who wasn't a zef at some point in his/her life.
They were never a sperm, they were never an egg. They were never the being they are now until conception.

 

You obviously did not read what I posted as far as what the EXPERTS SAY AND TEACH.

 

Then your OP is wrong. Note the questionmark after my..... question. It denotes a question, and there cannot be a "wrong" question, so I am correct and you make a false claim. Life does not begin at conception, since the components are alive beforehand.