FAITH in a RELIGION for those who REFUSE FACTS.

Treating the several creation stories in the Old Testament as literal history didn't really begin until the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century.

It was a Renaissance idea, ironically.

 

There is no need the point is mute I could say: In the beginning two dimensions smashed together creating the Universe.

Also cannot be proven and it doesn't matter since science can't know at out current level of technology and likely will never know is perfectly acceptable. We don't pretend we don't know equals must be then a divine force at work.

 

The number of believers won't make true a theory. Do you understand?

Now well, the question still is in play, prove the existence of the universe by a method other than creation. Give your best shot. Be sure that you won't write nonsenses, and when I say "prove it" you must have a scientific explanation that can't be challenged by a more accurate one, or that have flaws in it. Your explanation must be verifiable.

 

What the HELL are you talking about?

The ONLY thing I would like to DAWN on me is being able to draw a line of logic to WHY you have posted this statement when it has NOTHING to do with what is being discussed.

AboveAlpha

 

Great, so our science is so "limited" that we can't reach such a task.

Then, if science can't be used to challenge the biblical narration, what some guys writing here are fighting for? Why the guerrilla's style attacks to the biblical narration when no acceptable explanation can be obtained from science?

 

I think that believers of whatever religion they believe in should believe their favorite fairy tale 100% without exception, exactly as written. If it says that a believer should howl at the full moon then he should howl at the full moon.

 

Honey, I do believe the universe and the life in it was created - via the means of evolution. That some loony freaks with amusing theories about T-Rex's don't share this view, doesn't make it wrong nor will it drag me into a lengthy discussion about biology that I haven't got the faintest interest in. I'm sure you'll find loads of people here who'll happily engage in such a discussion with you, but it ain't me.

 

I demonstrated we can the Ten Plagues and Exodus account have absolutely no proof from nearby cultures, the Egyptians, archeology or the body of historical records noting all the cultures around Egypt and known to Egypt had some form of writing. And if true surely the Hittites their only major rival would have mentioned it all over this is great some foreign god smashed Egypt - yay! And there is no evidence of a massive mobile tribe of Hebrews in the desert for four decades again nothing.

There is evidence of a small area of ecological upheaval well before the Ten Plagues that could be the source of the story with embellishments but in the Old Kingdom not the time of the supposed Exodus.

There science its called Archeology the study of ancient cultures using evidence in this case a gaping lack of evidence demonstrating the story is a fiction.

 

Carlos....THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR INSULTS OR FOR YOU TO LAUNCH PERSONAL ATTACKS!

You have effectively said that I have a LOW I.Q. because of what I have posted.

You have a known history of responding to other members of this forum who might post a statement that is based upon the Scientific Method or Mathematical Fact and Probability and Logic with such a statement as you have replied with here.

When you are confronted with such a member posting something you find objectionable to your ideology and specifically something that contradicts your very narrow scope of understanding....YOU WILL INSULT THEM AND STATE THAT THEIR POST IS FALSE WITHOUT PROVIDING PROOF!

I have read quite a few of your posts that do this and I am aware along with many other members of this forum...that YOU should be the LAST person insulting others for their posts as well you do not have anywhere CLOSE to the needed Intelligence Quotient necessary for making a statement such as the one you have to me.

Your knowledge of Cosmology and Astrophysics is LIMITED IN THE EXTREME! Your knowledge of History is warped and twisted to only be associated with your Christian Ideology. You have a COMPLETE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OR UNDERSTANDING of Quantum Physics or Quantum Mechanics and you really don't even the simplest understands such things as QED or QCD....Quantum Electrodynamics and Quantum Chromodynamics.

You inability to understand Biology, Microbiology or Evolution is only surpassed by your lack desire to want to LEARN THE FACTS...as you are perfectly more than happy to live a life of ignorance rather than to hear anything of fact that contradicts such tripe as the World or Universe was created in 6 days.

For YOU to say I have a low I.Q. in comparison to you or those like you is like COMPARING A BRAIN DEAD INDIVIDUAL with a COLLEGE GRADUATE. HOW DARE YOU!!!

Your posts are illogical and you NEVER provide proof to your statements.

The pinnacle and masterpiece of your ignorance has just been demonstrated by your asking me to...prove the existence of the universe by a method other than creation...based upon your asinine assumption that it is a IMPOSSIBLE TO DISPROVE FACT THAT GOD CREATED THE UNIVERSE.

Because in your ideologically driven fervor you have mistakenly created a belief that the ONUS is upon those of LOGIC and SCIENCE to prove EVOLUTION which has already been DECLARED TO BE A FACT...when instead the ONUS IS UPON YOU to prove that the Earth and Universe was created my MAGIC by some MAN LIVING IN THE CLOUDS!

IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO GROW UP!!!

And it is time for you to realize that you are not anyone that has enough intelligence to denounce others that you believe have a lack of intelligence....as I would think you are lucky if you break a 90 I.Q.

AboveAlpha

 

I thought the discussion was about faith.

 

The topic is specific to those of FAITH to place that faith in the writings of ancient man such as ancient Biblical Text which has zero basis in reality thus effectively refusing to acknowledge the facts.

AboveAlpha

 

Believing that a GOD created the Earth and Universe is fine as long as one can understand that if a GOD did this that GOD would have used the processes of Quantum and Biological Evolution.

There is no conflict in ones belief in a GOD and the FACTS of EVOLUTION.

AboveAlpha

 

The Bible is not a book science, but redemption. The story of man throughout is God's plan of salvation, not scientific discovery. People who do not know God are confussed by his word of grace and the revelation of his nature and character. People who do not know God also rely on reason, which is not a bad thing, but they take reason only so far. They act as though reason is the silver bullet to religion, (Christianity actually). The Bible reveals spiritual truth which is the ultimate truth. Science merely reveals what has been created and the means by which creation was constructed and because men think that they have discovered some scientific truth that they are smarter than God and therefore there is no God because he has been out smarted because he did not specify his creative process so that so-called smart people would believe in him. Faith is substantial beyond perception, if that were not so, faith would be cheap and meaningless. Science does not contadict the Bible, and the Bible does not verify science since, as already stated, it is not a book of science but of ultimate truth.

 

Evolution is a theory, not verifiable fact. There are observed phenomena, but there are no replicative tests that prove it.

 

It is said that Human Beings and the Chimpanzee (Bonobo) share 97% of the same DNA. What a huge difference that 3% makes. Wouldn't you agree?

 

Actually Science does contradict aspects of the Bible such as Genesis.

This topic is not about confronting peoples belief in a GOD.

This topic is about how highly religious people of faith get testy and sometimes outright angry when they are confronted with scientific facts when using their religious texts as proof for their statements.

Belief in a GOD is one thing but for a person to advocate teaching Old Testament Scripture such as Genesis instead or along side of Evolution...well...that is a complete different issue as the Old Testament and similar texts such as in the Torah or Koran....should NEVER EVER be presented, considered, used or taught as a reality as they MOST CERTAINLY ARE NOT!

AboveAlpha

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Absolutely.

Humans and Great Apes shared a common ancestor.

We know this with 100% certainty as we can determine this from comparing our Genomes with the Genomes of the Great Apes.

AboveAlpha

 

Well, there is a rule, honor thy father and thy mother, but since mothers and fathers don't really exist, I guess that has no basis in reality, else you shouldn't be surprised if people have reverence for what got them to this point.

 

Sorry but you are wrong.

Evolution has been declared to be a FACT by the National Academy of Sciences in 1999.

LINK...http://www.discovery.org/a/4405

LINK...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_fact_and_theory

LINK...http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=6024&page=28

AboveAlpha

 

What the HELL does this mean?

AboveAlpha

 

National Academy of Sciences doesn't have the authority to declare what is or isn't a fact.

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You've already chosen to perceive of things as meaningless, you'll never know.

 

Every Single Viable Scientific Organization in existence has confirmed Evolution to be a FACT.

The National Academy of Sciences did this in 1999.

You cannot present evidence that Evolution is not a fact as no such evidence exists.

Go ahead...try to do so.

AboveAlpha

 

You are right: There's no conflict to believe in god and his creation. Sometimes it's even interesting to know something about the real scientific theory of evolution. What do you think: Why painted his angels our hands with the trees?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i52e-BKgrYk

 

And none of them have the authority to declare what is or isn't a fact.

 

Science does not contadict what the Bible says. All that is a revealed is a gap of understanding, not actuality. There is no possible way that Humans and Apes share an ancestor. That is speculation derived from theory to disprove God, not prove relationship.

 

You are making assumptions.

Your response is showing both me and others how some religious people of faith get testy when presented with facts as you have basically replied to me in an irritable way.

Just because I do not subscribe to your belief system does not mean I do not have beliefs of my own.

I am an Agnostic not an Atheist.

You have shown me just how a little scientific fact can make some people....cranky! LOL!

AboveAlpha

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You make me smile on occasion.

AboveAlpha