Fascism versus Socialism, What is the Difference?

Of people who understand how reality works?

 

Realty says right wing taken too far leads to fascism, left wing taken too far leads to communism.

 

Fascism is honest about incorporating elitist authoritarian collectivism to disempower and obsolete the will of the individual. Thats why everyone hates it. Socialism isn't, as if the 51% deciding that you don't matter is somehow preferable to a dictator deciding it. Its the same result.

 

Socialism is when the govt owns and operates the means of production. This says nothing about what kind of govt.

 

The means of production is everything. Production requires space, materials, tools, energy, labor, clothing, shelter, food, even ideas... If the govt owns the means of production, what do you own?

If you can't own anything, that severely limits what 'kind of govt' you might have...

 

Fascism is a type of socialism. There is no technical difference.

 

Home, schools, ect

 

Completely wrong.

 

A flat-earth debate would be more appropo than where this thread is going.

 

Schools are already property of the state, so clearly that wont be the case. Will you own the land your home is on in socialism? Because land, or more to the point the resources that come from the land, are the most basic and vital component to production. And if you dont own the land that your home is on, you dont really own the home either.

 

Yes you will.

 

So not all the means of production needs to be owned by the state. Can I run a business that I own out of my home in socialism, using resources that I own from the land that I own?

 

A home is not a means of production.

 

It is for many people who are self employed. My dad ran a carpentry business out of our home for decades. Most non-corporate farmers farm the land their home is on. Its a common and well known dynamic... Given this apparent 'revelation' will you answer the question- Can I run a business that I own out of my home in socialism, using resources that I own from the land that I own?

 

Yep.

 

I mean, as a classical liberal I tend to agree, but there are definitely differences between them.

 

Nothing leads to communism

Of course there are Fascist don't generally harbor any illusions about what they do and why they don't. Socialist always think there saving something or some one so they can justify in their own minds even the most unimaginable atrocities. Things your average fascist would find wasteful and stupid.

 

Typical.

 

Good grief! Doesn't the definition of a word -- as found in a dictionary -- matter any more? Have dictionaries gone out of style in this post-factual age?

Regards, stay safe 'n well . . . and pay the respect due to this marvelous language of ours.

 

And accurate. There has never been a communist state. There likely never will as both nature and politics abhor a vacuum. And true communism is absent any sort of government. Ergo a communist government, according to Marx, would be an oxymoron. Communist revolutions never get beyond the dictatorship of the proletariat, which in reality is the dictatorship of the survivors among the revolutionary leadership council, which, to date would be the sneakiest most devious and murderous bastard of the bunch. Hence it wasn't enough to run Trotsky out of Russia he had to be hunted down and assassinated in Mexico.

 

The original meaning of "left" and "right" has been intentionally destroyed, depriving language of an otherwise effective manner to discuss political orientation. This attack on verbiage has now been generalized to such an extent that any word might have to be interpreted anew in any context. This frustrated efforts to advance. It only serves to comfort those whose feelings outweigh their capacity for reasoning.

 

Yes you an have pre Thatcher Britain in which nothing worked and confiscatory taxation causes a drain if time talent and treasure the like if which the world had never seen.

 

It might be that the planet has too many humans on it for love to prevail. Tribalism, xenophobia and hatred seem to have prevailed.

Certainly love can be practiced on an individual basis, person by person, but the powers that be are more interested in hatred and warfare than in peace and love.