FBI recovered 11 sets of classified documents in Trump search: report

So you have never heard of having clearance revoked? If someone had clearance to see those documents, I guess they should have clearance forever right even if they are no longer government employees.

Those are government documents, not Trump's.

 

Come on, they will not, maybe can not, release specific documents.

But the OP lined it out, if you read it. If not, here.

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Investigators discovered classified documents in two areas: Trump’s personal office above a ballroom and in a storage room near the pool. Sources say there were “boxes everywhere,” with some containing Top Secret Sensitive Compartmented Information (TS/SCI). Those are considered some of the highest level of classified documents.
https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-agents-found-dozens-classified-153822883.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

 

One who signed off on the raid, was FBI director Wray. A trump appointee.
No lipstick

 

Correct. The gov't is the owner.
Specifically the National archives. In some cases of those documents.

 

that really isn't relevant because before your clearance was revoked you had clearance so therefore you were a person with clearance if they share it with you after your clearance was revoked then it's declassified.

The reality is still the same when a secret is no longer a secret anymore it is no longer a secret anymore.

You can't get around this no matter how hard you try.

 

And if the government wants to take away your clearance e.g. your ability to view documents they can.

 

It doesn't matter if it's declassified you don't need clearance for declassified information so you can talk about clearance all you want it's not relevant.

 

Polydectes would still defend Trump if he published those Top Secret documents on this site. The love and devotion is strong. Trump before country

 

What's relevant is that it can be re-classified to prevent other people from viewing those documents.

Trump said he needed these documents for work related purposes. Trump is no longer working for the government. No work = no longer needs those papers. What exactly is the issue here?

You leave a job, they make you turn in your badge, folders, documents, cell phone and company laptop. I see no reason why this situation is different.

 

And the biggest reason is that the documents are already in Trump's brain, so no reason to take them back...

The posturing is getting sickening. Trump withholding government documents are not protected by statute or the constitution, and defending his actions is downright embarrassing at this point.

 

And the argument was that Trump needed those documents for work. Well, what if the current president needs it for work or any other government official? I guess its SOL because Trump declassified it in his basement.

 

Yes you are completely correct, in your world. However, please explain to me how the ENTIRE world is better with inflation at an all time high, people not able to afford groceries, rent, you know the basics of surviving life?? You smart enough to know that you can't nle President Trump anymore. He has been voted out.

 

Interesting, I have never been on the truth social site.

Let me know what you think of it.

 

You would probably convict the man for a capital offense for eating a donut.

Vengeance before anything.

 

What IF......
They caught them removing some containers before the FBI got there to inspect them?
Hid some to prevent the FBI from seeing them?

 

It would be pointless to reclassify you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

 

If Trump knew the FBI was going to raid his property wouldn't he have hid them all?

 

All good except for the fact that none of these arguments are really pertinent to the key issue. In fact they ultimately amount to little more than excuses.

Firstly, Trumps administration itself went to court on at least two occasions and argued that Presidential declassification of documents was dependent on specific procedures being followed. The case in question arose because Trump tweeted a specific comment that referenced classified documents or events. A media organization then lodged a freedom of information request to obtain documents relating to the matter in question which was refused on nation security grounds. The plaintiffs then went to court and argued that since the President had referenced the matter in public then by default documents relating to that specific matter must have been declassified. All good so far (he did make statements to that effect). Except that the Trump Administration and the agencies concerned then turned around and opposed the public release of the documents in question citing in part the fact that due process had to followed before classified documents can be released to the public (which wasn't the case in relation to the documents covered by the ex Presidents tweets.) The courts upheld this argument.

I can get the relevant details if you require but they are a matter or of record and a matter of fact.

Secondly. The relevant legislation. There are provisions within the Espionage Act that make it an offense to be in possession of certain documents regarldess of how they are classified. In particular Section 793d (and I've quoted this section before) states that ' “Whoever, lawfully having possession of…any document…relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation…willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it on demand to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it” is guilty.

In other words the classification level of the documents in question doesn't necessarily matter, its the damage the documents could potentially do to the US if they end up in the wrong hands that counts. All of which means that its not just enough for Trump to claim now that he 'declassified' all the documents in question. He may well have to show proper procedure was followed and even then argue that certain document's would not have caused injury to the US if they fell into the wrong hands. (Which depends of course on what was in them, something the general public will ever know at least until such time as they are officially declassified.)

None of which means BTW that I'm suggesting Trump is definitely guilty or that his conviction is a slam dunk. What I'm saying is that the explanations/excuses offered to date don't on their own clear him of any wrong doing and that, at the very least so far there seems have been more than enough evidence to justify the execution of the famous search warrant if not a prosecution (should one eventuate).

In the end? Who knows. Perhaps Trump can produce records proving that he did order the records to be declassified in accordance with proper procedure and that for some reason this never happened. It doesn't seem likely though.

 

I was referring to their June visit.
And you just hit on the reason why they didn't give advanced notice except for a one hour notice to the secret service.
And maybe why they went there when Trump was not there, so he couldn't try to hide anything.
It's been reported that when they reviewed the security video tape they saw something deeply disturbing.
I'm GUESSING, they saw individuals removing and putting stuff back in the room who, as far as they knew, weren't authorized to view top secret documents.
There are a million questions to be answered, slowly they are.
It's natural that when a question is unanswered, we try to fill in the gaps and figure out what the actual truth is.
Most of this incident is still under wraps, and should be.
I'm trying to be patient..... but it's not easy! lol

 

I would need them. When it comes to declassification any process doesn't apply to the POTUS, himself, since he has ultimate authority to classify and declassification. See Navy v Egan.

In the end, like in the Hillary case, it goes to "intent". Comey stated no "reasonable" prosecutor would charge her for having classified documents on her private server because it only amounted to carelessness, not intent.

 

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.go...lated-fbis-crossfire-hurricane-investigation/

Evidence that Trump believed he had the authority to declassify documents. Furthermore, he states in the Memorandum:

I read this as meaning this Memorandum does not prove that Trump had to follow any procedure.

 

LOL... So you're suggesting that mr Biden reclassified it and sent out his goons to retrieve it? How constitutional that must be... LMAO...

 

That is not even remotely correct. A person is only allowed access to classified info, they have zero control on who gets to see it, that is done by a written procedure.

 

The President is the assigning authority. Period. His declassification is not dependent on what "government" says. he is the government, and his word to declassify something has no other check. It happens. Sorry this hurts your feelz....

 

It only matters at the time of his designation. Are you suggesting that mr Biden reclassified these documents?