Ferguson live updates: Dozens of arrests follow violent protests

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  1. Yazverg

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    http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-ferguson-grand-jury-live-updates-htmlstory.html

    Looking at all the massacre that is happening I wonder why everyone is discussing completely wrong things IMHO.

    1) There is a right which american society accepts (apart from most other socities) as a natural right. That is the right to buy, sell and obviously know how to use the mortal fire-weaponry. It is a fact. I don't say if it good or bad. It is just a fact.

    2) In a country where every person can have a mini-machinegun in his underwear that is capable to kill a dozen people in 10 seconds policemen are FORCED to have much more strict rules and much more liberal evaluation of their weekdays. Basically if they THINK that a guy is about to shoot they SHOULD shoot first. It is again not good or bad. It is a fact. Otherwise policemen would be shot as a practice targets.

    3) A group of people don't like to be shot, when they are... Even if statistics says that this very group is most possible to appear as robbers, thieves and killers - every person thinks that he doesn't deserve to be shot at sight. Especially if there used to be a story like it was around black minorities in the US and this group in particular is represented by black people.

    I believe that this is where problem lies. No matter what is the outcome of that poor policeman who was not under the court because of shooting someone dead. If not him. If not this year. If not Ferguson. It would have happened in another town or city since the weapons are still traded, since the policemen has to behave like it does (e.g. russian police is by law restricted to use the weaponry until they make three warning shots to the air and if they deal with terrorists there should be counter-terrorist mode introduced in a settlement) since people don't find it natural to obey policemen in everything - it would continue no matter what.

    I myself don't no the way out. But I certainly know that there is no reliable and permanent way out discussed in US media for the moment.
     
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    The Mainstream 'Medias' prefer to write about white-on-black crime, but not reversely.It is impossible to police to enforce the law if every criminal can shot at first.Only liars from mainstream 'medias' and their leftists supporters are guilty on unrests in Ferguson.Where they are if police kill white people?
     
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    So just curious. What happens when the three warning shots the Russian police have to fire in air come back down? Cause you know they don't just keep going.
     
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    These shots in average kill three people:
    - a gay
    - a feminist
    - and a liberal democrat.
    Putin did for purpose - to kill every possibility of democracy here.

    PS, If you really want to know what happens with the bullet once it goes down - you can learn some physics.
     
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    Maybe after a color revolution in the United States, the sheep begin to understand what is happening in other countries. For example in Ukraine. You imagine. For example, Russia and China are beginning to give out cookies for protesters. Finance the protests. Send professional specialists by a coup d'etat. Provide support in the media. And so on..... Americans, you would want this?
     
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    In Italy were for common citizens to carry concealed weapons is prohibited, police has to worry about criminals and among them there are who appear like common citizens [men of honor of Mafia in general don't go around looking like robbers ...].

    But usually criminals tend not to shoot against policemen [or Carabinieri] because they fear the retaliation. In Italy police and Carabinieri retaliate in a very violent way [with following protests of the leftists. I could remind what happened to a demonstrator who attacked a Carabiniere during the riots around the G8 in Genoa ... he died with a bullet in his head ... there was a trial because the demonstrator attacked the Carabiniere not with a firearm, but launching a fire extinguisher ...].

    Furthermore, if such a thing happened in Italy you will see armored military vehicles along the streets [in Italy the Army has already done this. For example when the war of Mafia reached a high level of social danger ... paratroopers were along the streets of Naples, Palermo ...].
     
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    Color revolutions are impossible in US. There is no US embassy in Ferguson. :)
    In fact there are no firstly no reasons to make color revolution in USA and secondly no resources.
    - Even if color revolution succeeds and the power in US would belong to controlled people from abroad (China, Russia, EU) it can only lead to chaos and civil war. American society is quite divided and armed, so the war would be long, cruel and ever-destroying. This would destroy any sanity in US for decades and the use of nuclear weapons for revanche or just due to political decision of some criminal in power is quite possible. What is the use of it for China, Russia or EU? No use. Completely no use. To win competition this way is too bloody and doesn't pay off. It is only reasonable in case of an ambition to make up a single empire on Earth. For the moment only one state has such an ambition. And this state would not destroy itself.
    - The key part of color revolution is media control. There should be control over media inside the country where revolution takes place and outside which would provide dummies with explanation of revolutionary crimes. Neither side possess such a mechanism except for USA. Note that americans arrested Russia Today executive in Ferguson today... If something like that happened in Ukraine under Yanukovich - can you imagine what would happen in world media?
    - Another necessary part of color revolution is trained ready to kill people who obey the orders from abroad. In Ukraine, Yugoslavia it were soccer fans and neo-nazists, in Syria and Libya it was islamic terrorists. For the moment no group in US is ready to kill everyone and noone is controlled from abroad.

    I would say that color revolutions are crimes no matter what. And all the people involved should be prosecuted and jailed. And I see no reason to make a color revolution in US, just as I see no reason to rape a rapist, kill a killer, rob a robber... We need to stay ourselves and let the others be themselves. The world would return to this idea soon anyway.
     
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    "Peaceul protests" is already the same meaning as 'Molotov cocktail'.
     
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    Ferguson. The beginning.

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    In Italy there is no racial conflicts. In the United States - more. But you should not speak about impossibility attacks on police in Italy. Do you remember "Brigate Rosse" and Aldo Moro? Economic problems give rise to extremism.
     
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    Spare us your nonsense, the vast majority of protesters are peaceful, you have a few bad apples who are not representative of the protests as a whole, this is how you handle peaceful protests you arrest the violent ones on a case by case basis rather than sending in jack booted thugs and snipers to attack all of them like they do in Russia or like they did in the Ukraine under the Russian puppet Yanukovych.
     
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    Ferguson on Fire
    http://rt.com/shows/in-the-now-summary/208863-ferguson-protest-jury-decision/
     
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    That was a military action, run by a para military organization with evident political purposes [to make the Republic fall].

    In the US, we are observing something different.

    And to be comprehensive about Italy, also organized criminality here [with all its military capability] has got no troubles in attacking police [but usually they avoid, as I said. It was just the so called "military Mafia" who increases the level of challenge to the authorities].
     
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    These are nation wide protests the vast majority of which are peaceful, the most you can provide is a few torched cars committed by arsonists of unknown numbers, it could be one guy for all you know. There's more violence after a major sports win than there are in these protests so you people need to spare us your nonsense you don't give a damn about the protesters or the violence all you want to do is shine a negative light on the US and try to laughingly portray us to be as ass backwards as Russia, well it's not going to happen, the peaceful protesters will be allowed to express their inalienable rights and the minority of criminals among them will be handled on a case by case basis.
     
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    I do not know how many burnt cars .... For example now burn American flags.

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    Uh-huh. I do agree with your theory on Putins purpose though.

    And I know how a bull let works. Checking if you do.
     
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    There's more violence after a major sports win than there are in these protests so you people need to spare us your nonsense you don't give a damn about the protesters or the violence all you want to do is shine a negative light on the US and try to laughingly portray us to be as ass backwards as Russia, well it's not going to happen, the peaceful protesters will be allowed to express their inalienable rights and the minority of criminals among them will be handled on a case by case basis.

    Burning the flag is an inalienable right protected by the first amendment.
     
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    You are confused. Yanukovych was democratically elected in 2010. The puppet is the current US stooge.
     
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    Yes. In the United States - more. In the US, racial conflicts. But, for example, "Black Panthers" in his battle specificity no different from the "Red Brigades". In the US, many political militant organizations. The fall of the economy will increase the number of supporters. And after some time will only need to spark that to all flared. (Of course, with appropriate funding and training. As in Ukraine, or Libya, or Syria ....)
     
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    There is still a difference: the Red Brigades were [and still are ...] a national para military organization with very good training, high level of motivation, financial support, good equipment, effective "social infiltration" and political support.

    Internal terror organization in US, so far, haven't reached that level. If this happened we will see something really impressive [you know, Americans always do it bigger than others ...].
     
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    You are confused the current president was elected in free and fair elections, Yanukovych who following his 2010 election had the opposition candidate arrested and imprisoned (very democratic of him) was ousted by the the Ukrainian Parliament including the majority of his own party; furthermore, the protesters during Euromaidan were attacked at the direct behest of Putin.
     
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    Very funny. Russia does not give you sleep? Topic - riots in the United States. My comment - about the burning of national flags in the United States. But you talking about Russia. Amazing "logic"!
    By the way, I did not know what to burn the national flag in the US it's fun, permitted by law. It is interesting to spit in the American president also permitted by law?
     
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    It's true. Even the German Red Army Faction (all known German "Ordnung") pathetic "amateurs" in comparison with the Italian Red Brigades. But US military organization in general - children. In comparison with the Italian.
     
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    Yes, this is what we are experiencing here. But it is not by vote or the voice of the people. It comes from a segment of society that has taken over the bulk of the media and various government positions.
     

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