fetal feelings

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  1. Anders Hoveland

    Anders Hoveland Banned

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    Twenty-one years ago, psychologist David B. Chamberlain wrote a book called “Babies Remember Birth.” (It is now in its third edition, renamed "The Mind of Your Newborn Baby".)

    The book makes the incredible statement that unborn children can sense, know, understand and remember events in the womb and at birth. Mr. Chamberlain’s hope, then and now, is that people will use this knowledge to improve the way they handle conception, pregnancy and delivery.

    “Womb ecology eventually determines world ecology, as the seeds of harmony or violence are sown by parents, educators and caretakers,” says the Association for Pre- and Perinatal Psychology and Health, whose members study the inner life of unborn and newborn children.

    Four-dimensional ultrasound technology and new research has shown, or at least strongly suggested, fetal emotion, pain, sight, hearing and even rudimentary, short-term “habituation” or “memory,” as recently reported in a Dutch study. One Japanese study found that the emotions of the mother had a direct impact on the pattern of fetal arm movements.

    Out of respect for these ideas, hospital and birthing rooms have often become loving environments filled with warmth, soft light and music.

    When it comes to the idea of a fully sentient fetus, however, the psychological community is not on board. In fact, when it comes to memory, the prevailing view is that nobody consciously remembers anything until they are out of diapers.

    Now 81, Mr. Chamberlain believes research ultimately will bear out his views, which he has explored and tested with research and real people since the early 1970s.

    “Babies are aware, whether we want them to be or not,” he told me recently. Even in the womb, babies are filled with “creative thinking, ideas, real cognition, comparing things, questioning things … coming up with suggestions, having insights.”

    For instance, “If there’s great love coming from the mother and the father, this is super-terrific as a beginning for the baby. It thrives on this energy.” But if the baby is wanted by the mother but not the father, “The baby is torn,” Mr. Chamberlain said. “It will begin bonding to the mother but it will be frightened of the father. It’s as simple as that, right from the get-go.”

    Mr. Chamberlain is finishing a new book, "Windows on the Womb: The First Nine Months", which he says will "give the whole story of what we’ve learned about this being in the womb, and all the scientific evidence, A to Z."

    The author covers some mind-boggling subjects in his book. Despite Mr. Chamberlain’s immense knowledge, respect and love for the unborn, he does not believe abortion should be outlawed. He expresses his belief that "For practical reasons, spirits need to be fully embodied in order to be treated as persons in our system of jurisprudence. In this light, I think the U.S. Supreme Court was wise in citing physical viability as a prerequisite in contemplating the rights of the unborn. [...] I think [women] must have authority to decide what happens inside their own bodies."

    But Mr. Chamberlain laments “very late abortions”, which he called “extreme abuse”. There’s a spiritual element in pregnancy that shouldn’t be forgotten, he said. “I don’t think there would be anybody there without a soul driving it.”


    Memories start before birth

    Facial expressions develop in the Womb

    4D ultrasound shows babies in the womb grimace when mommy smokes


    More Facts:

    By 12 weeks gestation the fetus can suck its thumb, it kicks and makes fists and faces, and has the beginnings of baby teeth. (source: Human Genetics: Concepts and Applications)
    By 14 weeks limb movements, which had already begun 6 weeks earlier at the end of the embryonic period, become coordinated.
     
  2. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Another load of your claptrap that proves nothing...try science , it is accurate.
     
  3. JoakimFlorence

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    Looks like pro-choicers don't have much of an argument to put up against this one. :angel:
     
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    It's been trashed before, poster likes bringing up old subjects....
     
  5. JoakimFlorence

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    Really? Where has it been brought up before?

    Or were you just saying that because you were too slothful and lazy to debate?
    Please provide any links if you have them.
     
  6. Zeffy

    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OP is too long, I didn't read it.
     
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    It's also too stupid, don't bother reading it.....while this "person " does believe abortion should be legal he says goofy things like ,""There’s a spiritual element in pregnancy that shouldn’t be forgotten, he said. “I don’t think there would be anybody there without a soul driving it.” ""


    :roll:
     
  8. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    I'll stick to reality and not fiction. The genesis of new brain cells essentially erases memories, because the new neurons disrupt brain circuits established by the older cells, this was supported by experiments done on mice where they found they could make infant mice's memories last longer by experimentally throttling down neurogenesis.
     
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    So what you are saying is that fetuses and babies may have memories but those memories are erased by later brain growth so we cannot remember when we were babies, is that correct?
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    no because what you have written contradicts itself, a fetus or baby cannot have memories of being a fetus or baby if those memories have been erased, by definition erased means "to remove", to "remove all traces of; destroy or obliterate:" - http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/erase there is no "may have memories", it would be "may have had memories" ie past tense, the fact they are erased means they no longer exist.
     
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    Really ? like Really ? Are you so ignorant of this debate that you do not realize that the quote below from the OP's post is abject nonsense ?

     

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