Fisherman jailed for people smuggling

I don't need supporting evidence. The law is not racist, it applies to everyone the same regardless of race.
The law targets criminal behaviour, it is completely indiscriminate as to race.
The fact that some racial groups commit more crime than others just means that more of that racial group will be subject to the law.
Perhaps you are suggesting we have different laws for different races?

 

Oh, yes you do.

I provided mine.

We still wait for yours ...

 

No, you have provided political, lobbyist and selve serving opinion. Give us the clauses in the Act/s that are racist.
You cannot do this because the Acts are completely and utterly NON DISCRIMINATORY.

 

Aunty meat, you provided no evidence of laws stipulating, or mentioning race, nothing.

 

Try reading what I said, and this time, don't twist it around.

This is exactly what I said:

And I'm 100% correct, and have provided links to support it.

You, have provided nothing except incorrect information.

Would you like to try again? I didn't think so.

 

Why would I? I never said anything about a law stipulating race.

You need to brush up on your reading skills my boy.

 

For those of you still struggling to come to terms with the facts ...

Laws can "tend to target Indigenous persons" without race actually being mentioned in the Act. This is fairly basic stuff, that any educated person would understand.

Maybe some reading on the subject would be beneficial to the strugglers out there ...

http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/legcon_ctte/completed_inquiries/2002-04/hra_mandsent/submissions/sub32.htm

http://www.hreoc.gov.au/pdf/social_justice/submissions_un_hr_committee/5_mandatory_sentencing.pdf


"Mandatory sentencing laws target particular property offences that are
generally committed by people of lower socio-economic backgrounds. They
are discriminatory in effect against Indigenous people in particular."

A little more education and a lot less ignorance would go a long way with you boys. Seriously.

 

Mandatory sentence guidelines are most valuable in promoting uniformity is sentencing. It cuts down on appeals based upon selective imposition of punishment. Generally these guidelines give the Judge some latitude to consider mitigating circumstances as here where the Judge felt that poverty was a mitigating factor.

 

Any educated person would understand that the law targets criminal behaviour. If a law does not mention race, then it cannot 'target' a race.
A particular law can catch more people of a particular race than others if people of that race are more prone to commit crimes that the law targets. This is fairly basic stuff that anybody who does not have a racist, apologist agenda would concede.

 

I would do. If someone is desperate to survive, they would do anything for cash, and would even consider breaking the law.

 

The effects of mandatory sentencing laws tend to target indigenous persons, not the actual words in a written Act.

One would have to be a moron not to understand this.

Seriously


I'll type this slowly, so that you can keep up:

"Mandatory sentencing laws target particular property offences that are
generally committed by people of lower socio-economic backgrounds. They
are discriminatory in effect against Indigenous people in particular."

 

Nope, never said that at all. Now you're just making (*)(*)(*)(*) up.

People who fail to accept facts need more education.

 

You`ve painted yourself inyo a corner once again. If a particular race specialises in a particular crime, you are saying that the law against that crime is racist. That really is amazingly silly.

 

Mandatory sentencing laws (i.e. their effects) tend to target indigenous persons.

This has been backed up with evidence (follow my links, and do some reading).

Simple. Even a child could understand this.

Next.

 

Your portrayal is extremely innacurate.

 

Laws target criminals. If anyone elects to break a law, it`s not the law`s fault. It really is that simple. No amount of fantasy can change the truth. You are saying that we have a racial crime problem, I`ll have to take your word for it, but this is offtopic.

 

Care to specify which points you are trying to denigrate?

 

Laws target criminal behaviour. No law exists that was written specificaly to catch Abo's. You need to take off your racist blinkers.

So?

Rubbish! Absolute poppy ****! Criminal law does not discriminate between race in any way whatsoever. I disagree that you can even say that the effect of a law can be racialy discriminatory.

 

I never said there was.

I said:

"The effects of mandatory sentencing laws tend to target indigenous persons, not the actual words in a written Act."

You need to put your glasses back on old boy.

 

Not rubbish at all.

"Mandatory sentencing laws target particular property offences that are
generally committed by people of lower socio-economic backgrounds. They
are discriminatory in effect against Indigenous people in particular."

http://www.hreoc.gov.au/pdf/social_justice/submissions_un_hr_committee/5_mandatory_sentencing.pdf

Perhaps you should do some reading.

 

From the Law Council of Australia ...

"This paper is based on a paper prepared in March 2000 by the then President of the Law Council of Australia, Dr Gordon Hughes."

"The laws tend to target Indigenous persons"

"Many critics of mandatory sentencing laws have noted that they appear to impact most harshly on Indigenous offenders."

"Mandatory sentencing laws have a disproportionate effect on
Indigenous women."

"Various other studies have criticised the laws for targeting
jurisdictions with a high Indigenous population, ... "

 

Now we are getting somewhere, close to the truth but still some biased, emotive spin in there. A law cannot be said to 'target' a racial group unless in was specificaly written to do so. Some racial groups indeed do fall foul of some some laws more often than other groups. This is not the problem of the law makers or the law itself. The problem lays entirely with the racial group in question. I believe the problem being dealt with by mandatory sentencing is unacceptably light sentencing, especialy for chronic repeat offenders, by the judiciary.

 

You'll have to take that up with Dr Gordon Hughes and the Law Council of Australia.


"The laws tend to target Indigenous persons"

http://www.lawcouncil.asn.au/shadomx/apps/fms/fmsdownload.cfm?file_uuid=91B75434-1E4F-17FA-D2BA-B6D5A60592A7&siteName=lca

 

They "target" nothing.

The problem is that indegenous people are usually in the lower socio blaa blaa group. That's the group that commit these crimes.

Nothing to do with "targeting" anyone.