Flag, controversy hit Georgia’s highways

Is the Hood and sheets also a part of that History?

 

Black power movement can't be compared to the civil war.

 

What can it be compared to?

 

Yes.

History is history, whether good, bad, or something else. We can't ignore our pasts or the pasts of others that defined our culture today.

History clearly shows that the confederate flag is not a symbol of hate. Just because hate groups stole it does not mean it should be demonized. The south rose, the union fought, and today is our result. I don't think some of you realize how different today would have been without the south rising. Would the Union have kept ignoring the issues at hand, or would equality have be gained in a different avenue, would we possibly still be stuck in that same point of time today. Who knows. Point is:

Think outside the box folks. If some called the sky green for all their life, would you automatically accept the idea and go on? No, you'd look up and say the sky is blue. Think for yourselves, and do not continue to subscribe to the past thinking of those who lived during segregation, etc. Today is a different age.

 

gotta keep it straight in case Joe Biden pops in.

 

the KKK,La Raza,Nazi's or groups of that nature that think their race is better or more deserving than any others.

 

The thing is you can't change History to His-Story.

Depends on who you ask.

It should if they were committing Demon acts while flying it.

Thats why we fly the American flag and not the Confederate one.

Slavery would have ended sooner, around 618,000 wouldn't have lost their lives.

They ignored the issues too long that was the problem.

That would be like trying to tell a Jewish person that a swastika isn't really that bad.

 

Another poor man suffering from "re-vitiligo" (A disease causing the continual darkening of white skin!)


Just like poor Uncle Ruckus!

(Some coarse language)

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsbZ2C9bH1k"]Uncle Ruckus tells it all to you![/ame]

 

Yeah...let's get rid of all those racist symbols.

 

True story, and pretty much exactly what I said.

Well....if your asking historians then most of them agree that the flag is not a symbol of hate. If your just asking everyday people, then yes some will view it like that. Not everyone likes to study history, some will just blindly follow anything their told, and some just don't care to begin with.

No it shouldn't, it doesn't represent them. If they start waving umbrella's during their rallies are you seriously going to stop using an umbrella. That's immature, if not petty, luckily it's an example, otherwise I would doubt you some.

No we fly the American one because it represents us here, and now. The flag has changed countless times, it'll change again. Nothing says we can't fly more than one flag. If you have a problem with the confederate flag you better ignore Mississippi's state flag (the only state to have the confederate flag woven into it...)

Assumption. You know better than that, I've debated with you before.

Yes that's what happened, but I was referring to a hypothetical different outcome. Doesn't matter because you missed the point and answered me with an assumption anyways lol

The swastika isn't bad....Hitler used it....and it'll take a long time to disassociate itself from that group. However a lot more time has gone one since the civil war, it's had time. Time heals injuries, but you know, ignorance can't dominate forever. I wouldn't force the thought on a Jewish person, they don't have to accept it, but one day all of these symbols will reset.

I don't believe in hating a misrepresented symbol. I believe in hating the force that stole, abused, and drove the demonization of the symbol. You brought up Hitler so let's use him - blame Hitler, don't blame the symbol he stole.

2cents, no disrespect or offense meant to anyone, I know it's a sticky topic, but I think it has to be said as well.

 

Yeah, that character cracks me up. My favorite Ruckusism is when he was trying to tell people that Blacks have no good fighters, they need someone like Chuck Norris.

 

The swastika, when used to represent something OTHER than the 3rd Reich is OK.

So would the Confederate flag if it historically also had represented some OTHER group like Firework Lovers, and was used in that context.

But the use of the Confederate flag is to represent people who committed High Treason to the USA, and also believe in the slavery and subjugation of people as subhuman animals.

If we had visited the penalty on the South that the South had visited on minorities that fought AGAINST the South, (horrible torture, and universal execution by fast AND slow means), we wouldn't have this problem now.

The Confederate flag should be as illegal in the USA as the Swastika is illegal in Germany. It is a noxious symbol of pure evil and shame on our country's history.

 

Another liberal who wants to ban freedom. For most it is not evil but just a symbol of the South and southern pride. But liberals think we need the nanny state controlling us.

 

That may be the way you see it, but that is just your personal opinion and in no way changes the FACT that many people view it as a symbol of individual freedom over the dictates of a tyrannical Federal Government.

Not all of us believe that the Federal Government should dictate our daily lives to the level that it does, or that it should take so much money from our checks, or that it should get anything more than a wink and a nod from the legitimate power holders in this nation, State and Local Governments.

I'm not a libertarian, but I do agree with and feel "put upon" by the Federal Government to an extremely high degree, and that flag represents the opposite of a powerful federal Government. It represents freedom, individualism and the power of a State to decide its own laws and its own way of doing things without fear of a Federal Government coming in and dictating the opposite. Slavery is irrelevant in the modern day, and symbols can change their meaning over time, and this symbol has done just that.

The Confederate Flag represents civil disobedience to an overly powerful National Government. That is all that it represents.

 

When the Federal Reserve building can fly those disgusting Gay Rainbow flags...I cannot criticize people for flying the confederate flag.

If I have to suck it up with regards to offensive flags, so does everyone else.

 

LOL...Gay Pride flags are A-Ok though rite?

 

See post #83 for a symbol of hate.

If the Southerners committed high treason, then why were none of the leaders tried? Jefferson Davis was held for two years in jail and released with no prosecution. Not to mention the illegal pretext for the war, the war crimes of the Union on Southern civilians and the fact that there were white people in the North being treated worse than slaves in the South. Oh, but they didn't use the word 'slave', so that makes it all better.

Funny how Americans don't understand what the Confederacy truly meant, while truly repressed people do. The Battle Flag was quite popular in Eastern Europe as it was breaking away from the Soviet Bloc.

Sorry that I don't know how to post a pic here in any way other than a thumbnail (someone want to help me out?), but here is a pic taken at the Berlin Wall in 1988. Click on it to view in larger format.

 

can't they had slaves fighting to be slaves against their own interests during the civil war

it is a bad flag,

 

Those are some fancy psychiatric words. Where did you learn them?

oh.

 

"Oh I am so "put-upon" because the federal government made me stop owning, raping and murdering other human beings!"

God, this tired old refrain is pitiful. The South was committing massive crimes against the country, and the country was just supposed to sit back and let it all happen! What is the point of a Federal Constitution if states are going to ignore it?

And the Confederate flag STILL means the EXACT SAME THING, not to mention that a large number of the people who fly it would til like to do what the South did in the first place! Or why did we have to send the national guard to enforce treating blacks like citizens in the 20th century?

It was EASY TO NOT GET INVADED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!!

JUST STOP DEFILING THE CONSTITUTION AND AMONG OTHER ATROCITIES, STOP OWNING SLAVES!

 

Your ignorance truly knows no bounds, does it? You seem to think that the North had some moral high ground. Nothing could be further from the truth. Setting aside that slavery was legal in some Northern and border states during the war, look at how the North was treating white people. Can you say 'hypocrisy'?

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By 1810, about 2,000,000 school-age children were working 50- to 70-hour weeks. Most of them came from poor families. When parents could not support their children, they sometimes turned them over to a mill or factory owner. One glass factory in Massachusetts was fenced with barbed wire "to keep the young imps inside." The "young imps" were boys under 12 who carried loads of hot glass all night for a wage of 40 cents to $1.10 per night.

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Theophilus Fisk, a Connecticut publisher and Jackson Democrat is ranked as one of the major leaders of the early U.S. labor movement. Fisk denounced wealthy White campaigners for negro rights and in 1836 gave what has been described as a “fierce anti-abolitionist speech” in South Carolina. Fisk’s anger derived from his observation that White slavery had been ignored. Fisk “found that
America’s slaves had ‘pale faces’ and as abolitionism grew in Boston, called for an end to indulging sympathies for Blacks in the South and for ‘immediate emancipation of the White (factory) slaves of the North.”.

Charles Douglass, president of the New England Association of Farmers, Mechanics and Other Working Men, described the four thousand White children and women at work in the factories of Lowell, Massachusetts in the 1860s as “dragging out a life of slavery and wretchedness... These establishments (New England’s factories) are the present abode of wretchedness, disease and misery...”

Ruth Holland, commenting on the participation of New England factory owners in the cause of abolitionism and rights for negroes in the south, observed, “It’s a little difficult to believe that northern mill owners, who were mercilessly abusing (White) children for profit, felt such pure moral indignation at (negro) slavery.”

http://www.whattheproblemis.com/docu...ere-slaves.pdf

 

What is really pitiful is the fact that you blame one section of the country for slavery. That shows your ignorance of history.

I challenge you to find me one slave ship that flew the Confederate flag and brought slaves to America. Show me, prove me wrong.

No it was not easy to get invaded. Lincoln was going to have his war, and it had nothing to do with slavery. NOTHING!!!!!

The US constitution --

Section 9 - Limits on Congress

The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

10 bucks and shipping charges gets you a slave.

George Purvis
http://southernheritageadvancementpreservationeducation.com/page.php?4

 

The effects of the New England slave trade were momentous. It was one of the foundations of New England's economic structure; it created a wealthy class of slave-trading merchants, while the profits derived from this commerce stimulated cultural development and philanthropy. --Lorenzo Johnston Greene, “The Negro in Colonial New England, 1620-1776,” p.319.


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"Even after slavery was outlawed in the North, ships out of New England continued to carry thousands of Africans to the American South. Some 156,000 slaves were brought to the United States in the period 1801-08, almost all of them on ships that sailed from New England ports that had recently outlawed slavery. Rhode Island slavers alone imported an average of 6,400 Africans annually into the U.S. in the years 1805 and 1806. The financial base of New England's antebellum manufacturing boom was money it had made in shipping. And that shipping money was largely acquired directly or indirectly from slavery, whether by importing Africans to the Americas, transporting slave-grown cotton to England, or hauling Pennsylvania wheat and Rhode Island rum to the slave-labor colonies of the Caribbean.

Northerners profited from slavery in many ways, right up to the eve of the Civil War. The decline of slavery in the upper South is well documented, as is the sale of slaves from Virginia and Maryland to the cotton plantations of the Deep South. But someone had to get them there, and the U.S. coastal trade was firmly in Northern hands. William Lloyd Garrison made his first mark as an anti-slavery man by printing attacks on New England merchants who shipped slaves from Baltimore to New Orleans.

Long after the U.S. slave trade officially ended, the more extensive movement of Africans to Brazil and Cuba continued. The U.S. Navy never was assiduous in hunting down slave traders. The much larger British Navy was more aggressive, and it attempted a blockade of the slave coast of Africa, but the U.S. was one of the few nations that did not permit British patrols to search its vessels, so slave traders continuing to bring human cargo to Brazil and Cuba generally did so under the U.S. flag. They also did so in ships built for the purpose by Northern shipyards, in ventures financed by Northern manufacturers. "

http://www.slavenorth.com/

 

I’m up, but weary,
I scarce can reach the door,
And long the way and dreary—
Oh, carry me once more,
To help us we’ve no mother,
To live how hard we try—
They killed my little brother—
Like him I’ll work and die!

The overlooker met her,
As to the frame she crept,
And with the thong he beat her,
And cursed her as she wept.
Alas, what hours of horror
Made up her latest day,
In toil and pain and sorrow,
They slowly passed away.

That night a chariot passed her,
While on the ground she lay;
The daughters of her master
An evening visit to pay,
Their tender hearts were sighing
As wrongs to negroes were told,
While the white slave was dying
Who gained their father’s gold.”

 

Historian Oscar Handlin writes that in colonial America, White “servants could be bartered for a profit, sold to the highest bidder for the unpaid debts of their masters, and otherwise transferred like movable goods or chattels... In every civic, social and legal attribute, these victims of the turbulent displacements of the 16th and 17th centuries were set apart. Despised by every other order, without apparent means of rising to a more favored place, these men and their children, and their children’s children seemed mired in a hard, degraded life... The condition of the first Negroes in the continental English colonies must be viewed within the perspective of these conceptions and realities of (White) servitude... (“Origins of the Southern Labor System,” William and Mary Quarterly, April, 1950, p. 202).

The history of enslavement in America as portrayed in the tunnel vision of the corporate media has focused exclusively on the enslavement of negroes. The impression is given that only Whites bear responsibility for enslaving negroes and only negroes were slaves. In fact negroes in Africa as well as American Indian tribes such as the Cherokee engaged in extensive enslavement of negroes. The Cherokee Indians owned large plantations on which they worked their negro slaves in gangs (R. Halliburton, Jr., Red over Black: Black Slavery among the Cherokee Indians, p. 20).

White slaves were actually owned by negroes and Indians in the South to such an extent that the Virginia Assembly passed the following law in 1670: “It is enacted that noe negro or Indian though baptized and enjoyned their owne ffreedome shall be capable of any such purchase of christians...”
(Statutes of the Virginia Assembly, Vol. 2, pp. 280-81).