Florida Approves Bill Allowing Classroom Teachers To Be Armed

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  1. Tim15856

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    Too expensive to buy in US, heck a SdKfz251/17 is $80,000. But look at what you can get in Europe. A decent tank in the UK for far less and a nice T34/85 not too far from you. http://www.milweb.net/classifieds.php?type=1
     
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  2. Tim15856

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    Show me where gun free zones do not have anything to do with mass shootings. As for your second question, if a armed civilian stops a shooter before he is able to kill anyone or is in the process of killing people than it's impossible to determine if there would be a mass shooting if the shooter was not stopped. But there is evidence of some cases.
    https://crimeresearch.org/2019/05/uber-driver-in-chicago-stops-mass-public-shooting/
     
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    I'll send it privately. There may be a Rule here about posting that stuff in public.
     
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    By all means raise topics at your choice, fact is these topics dont come within 1000 boomerangs from the average persons house or life here. Whereas guns possession and gun violence is much more a common neighbourhood issue in your country than here.
    If you lived here for 6 months you might understand and never leave. Safety is a given.
     
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    Maybe if you taught in a rural school you'd find many more teachers fully capable of handling firearms. Of course on site security is an option, but we see that doesn't always work out when security refuses to enter the building and confront the shooter. Plenty of Vets turning to teaching.
    https://proudtoserveagain.com/
    There have been times where a shooter targets the single security guard first.
     
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    Tim, you might think you are clever answering a question with a question but I dont play games like that. If you refuse to acknowledge my claim then I wont play your game.
     
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    Most areas of the US are perfectly safe, the big cities by far are much more dangerous.
     
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    No, you complained I made a claim with no evidence and I told you why I think Aussies who keep posting anti-gun posts could be considered election interference. My only question to you was if you don't agree with the reason I gave; Russian trolls did the same thing and it was considered interference.
     
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    :roflol::roflol::roflol:John Lott!!

    Did you not read the link I provided that explained why Lott has little to no academic credibility? If you don’t believe me simply check Wiki

    Me? I prefer the FBI a I think they have a better handle on mass shooters than a TWONK like Lott
    https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-incidents-in-the-us-2018-041019.pdf/view

    https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/pre-attack-behaviors-of-active-shooters-in-us-2000-2013.pdf

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    https://www.fbi.gov/about/partnersh...-engagement/active-shooter-incidents-graphics
     
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    All that data does not dispute the cases that are listed in that article. You can dispute any conclusions Lott might have, but you can't dispute public cases where an armed civilian stopped a shooter.
     
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    I accept your reply...but comparing us to Russian is like comparing Americans to the Burmese
     
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    My intent is not to equate our Aussie allies and cousins with Russians.
     
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    The written word is an ass. :)
     
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    It's a volunteer program only.
     
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    And what was stopping this from happening before? If kids could sneak guns into school, so could teachers.
     
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    Lefties, or right-wing fruitcakes, or both?
     
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    I agree, laws are too lax and only time before it does happen
     
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    Has this supposed "push" actually caused any changes in firearm-related restrictions to occur?

    So now there is an admission on the part of yourself that the firearm-related restrictions in the nation of Australia did not actually stop mass shootings from occurring?

    So what is ultimately being stated on the part of yourself, is that incidents which meet the definition of mass shootings can, will, and do happen regardless of what firearms are available to the public?

    If such is the case, there is ultimately no reason for the united states to attempt to follow the lead of the nation of Australia, as mass shootings simply will not be stopped.
     
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    Then present the proposal to actually go about achieving such a goal, and achieving it within a reasonable amount of time.
     
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    Concealed carry does not involve the firearm being stored absently in a desk drawer, but rather carried on the person.
     
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    Of course. It used to be that way in this country until the issue was politicized for electoral purposes.
     
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    It could involved the teacher being physically overwhelmed and his or her gun taken by students or intruders.
     
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    Hardening schools as a target would be wildly expensive and is therefore wildly unpopular.

    Guns are costing us a lot money in having to hire security to protect airports, transit, schools, hospitals, malls, sporting events, etc.
     
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    Yes but the number of armed civilians is far far far outweighed by the number of unarmed civilians and the police
     

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