For a change, how about an actual and honest discussion of Noah's Ark-

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by Gorn Captain, Jun 24, 2015.

  1. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2012
    Messages:
    17,005
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Oh yeah.
    We have evidence of Neanderthals inbreeding with us and the Bible even tells us so...

    Gen 6:2 That the sons of God, (the humans who would not become extinct), saw the daughters of (Neanderthal) men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

    These produced the mighty ones, the line which ended with modern man,... still the sons of god today.
     
  2. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2012
    Messages:
    17,005
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Hahaaaa,...
    Funny...
    Of course anyone who starts to condemn the Bible as nonsense will have ti ridicule people who see the idea in Genesis 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 as a ridiculous waste of time for a god and say the whole story makes no sense to them.
    They MUST deny and oppose even admitting this fact-after-fact way of reading the story has no merit at all.

    Otherwise they have opposed some really smart writers, here, who could not tell the story our right, but have all the information pretty much right.
    Laughing at this way of understanding the Bible as being right will be opposed by Gays and sexually promiscuous people,.... even church guys who are selling a ridiculously wrong fable instead, of course.
    Those people are against the sexual prudence of scripture or part of a group selling the unscientific explanation.

    Sure.
    Making sense of the Bible will find all the idiots who really are laughing from between their legs,... as you say.
     
  3. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2012
    Messages:
    17,005
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Hahaaaa,...
    Your brother, the Gay one you told me about, would love that one little thing you got there, that kills the who comparison, dead in the water, you say.

    But the word used here, "gopher," actually means, in the Hebrew, "a container or box like thing:"


    Gen. 6:14 (In a genetic mutation), make thee (an evolved brain, the whole Central Nervous System, within your skull and spinal vertebra, as if it were a boat or a hollow box), an ark, (tebah: a box) of gopher (like) wood (the kind used for housing something in), rooms, (of Unconscious, Subconscious, and Conscious thought, in the mansion of this human mind: [John 14:2]) shalt thou make in the ark, (the hollow box of your skull and spinal vertebra), and shalt pitch it within (the skull for the brain) and without, (down the spinal column).

    Amplified Theistic Evolution Bible: Gen 6: http://kofh2u.tripod.com/id110.html
     
  4. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2012
    Messages:
    17,005
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Yeah,...
    You guys won't like anything that supports the Bible.
    Even with hard science corresponding to it, because you started here with taking the other side.
    But these explanations are what make sense to the scripture now.
    Future preachers will all be telling this to their congregations sooner or later.

    This Amplified Theistic Evolution Bible (http://kofh2u.tripod.com/id110.html), has EVERYTHING explained in finite detail and it corresponds one-to-one with hard science facts.

    The medieval ideas of the past were all wrong.
    The church people will be seeing more and more preachers shw=owing fact based interpretations.
     
  5. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2012
    Messages:
    17,005
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Check your dictionary:

    Panthalassic Ocean:
    Panthalassa is a word derived from Greek that means all ocean.
    The Panthalassic Ocean completely surrounded all of Pangaea and all of Rodinia, so it’s an apt name.
     
  6. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 15, 2008
    Messages:
    28,370
    Likes Received:
    9,297
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    While I admit your creative manipulation of sacred text is often quite entertaining...it is difficult to see this activity as anything but heresy in the context of an individual of such self described devotion to the writings. Why is it that you put so much "Effort" into changing these books to fit into things they were never intended to cover, and could not possibly know of?
     
  7. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2012
    Messages:
    17,005
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    48
    ?
    You guys put much effort into ridiculing the whole Bible.
    Why?

    I just read the Bible and try and make sense out of what it says.
    My degrees are in Physics and what I say after using the Hebrew dictionary and getting the general ideas of the stories is that the book seems to fit the facts when read with the intent of reporting positively on it.

    What I see from other people is that Gays hate the book, because it is against sexual promiscuity.
    And so do the sexually active feminists.
    The church people try to explain medieval interpretations their ancient church has used before Darwin appeared.
    They resist anything except the definitions they say are right, when science tells them they are wrong.

    I am just posting the things I see in what the book says, and recognizing that over centuries people have used the wrong meaning for words like "day," and "gopher wood," and "years," etc.

    It SEEMS to me that reading what is written in the Bible to correspond with Science is sensible and possible.
    The writings are amazingly easy to fit the real facts we now know, when before, ancient people came up with weird stuuf that is dead wrong.
     
  8. CourtJester

    CourtJester Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2013
    Messages:
    27,769
    Likes Received:
    4,921
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gee you left off sexually promiscuous men and divorced men and women. Could it be your biases are showing.
     
  9. GraspingforPeace

    GraspingforPeace Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2008
    Messages:
    14,162
    Likes Received:
    1,403
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Except that they don't correspond unless you change the meanings of the words in the Bible to match modern science ideas, and they STILL don't match up.
     
  10. cameron

    cameron New Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2015
    Messages:
    579
    Likes Received:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Very well, now show the method of measure used to obtain such an age.

    Your method of measure must have been verified by another valid method of measure.
     
  11. Junkieturtle

    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2012
    Messages:
    16,025
    Likes Received:
    7,548
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Why is it bad to assume the universe came into being with magic but good to assume God already existed and had no beginning? Theists are going to have to eventually understand that they can't use an argument to attack atheism and then pretend that argument doesn't apply to them as well. If the universe needed a beginning, if we can't say that the universe always was, then that answer doesn't work for God either.

    So best get to work on your fantastical explanations for God that don't use the same logic you're telling us is wrong when applied to the universe. It's much easier to believe that energy caused an explosion which formed the atoms that eventually composed all the matter in the universe than it is to believe there is an omnipotent intelligent consciousness that has no beginning that is directing everything. That is actually harder to believe altogether, both scientifically and metaphysically.
     
  12. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    Messages:
    73,644
    Likes Received:
    13,766
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Sexual promiscuity is hardly new for humans.. All the patriarchs had multiple wives and concubines.. There were bastards and rape... Human nature hasn't changed much.
     
  13. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2012
    Messages:
    17,005
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    48
    The male sex drive is the means to building families which are basis for civilization.

    Divorce is also criminal when it comes to the kids.
    Step fathers are the worse, according to the Stats.

    But that men are sexually activated is good, because at adolescence the men become married workers who first just want sexual relationships, but learn about famliy and become fathers which the kids need.
    This sexual drive in men is how women get them to marry and stay with just her, and the kids which come.

    Sex is a good thing.
    Wise societies realize sex must be regulated by rules, since the men are very willing to change partners when promiscuity is possible by women ready to capitalize on that drive.
     
  14. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2013
    Messages:
    73,644
    Likes Received:
    13,766
    Trophy Points:
    113

    There are 11,000 year old granaries in the area of the Dead Sea... and ancient cities and monuments in Anatolia that are 12,000 years old.. Cave paintings in France that are 40,000 years old. Natufian caves in Palestine and the Levant.. African tools found in Western Arabia that are 100,000 years old. Rock paintings in Arabia that are 10,000 years old. Have you been to Byblos and Baalbeck? You should get out more.
     
  15. Qchan

    Qchan Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2015
    Messages:
    2,047
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    0

    When I used the word "magic" I was saying so mockingly. However, if you take what I said literally, then you'd have to assume there was a magician who used a law of physics called "magic". Then the question would bare, who is this magician and who created magic?



    Why not?



    You assume you know all there is to know about the material world, and then continue to profess that nothing can exist outside of that. The question is, how do you know? If mankind can't identify what dark matter even is, then how can you identify that nothing exists outside of the natural universe?

    Quantum mechanics = Not material. Lawrence Krauss (an atheist theoretical physicist) believes in this. Its how he believes something came from nothing. You're essentially saying Lawrence Krauss is wrong because what he believes isn't part of the natural material universe.
     
  16. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2012
    Messages:
    17,005
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Patriarchs had wives.
    That means they were responsible to each wife and the whole family, as a father for the kids.
    The Mormons used polygamy of wives or a long time and it worked out just fine for the kids raised with it.

    Sexual promiscuity is what Gays and harlots want.
    It means married men and many boy friends at the same time is just fine and dandy.
    Sex with a dozen Gays a week, or courtesans who flit from one relationship to the next, have sexual encounters with a number of people without seeking marriage is the atmosphere where young girls realize they, too, can do this.

    In the end, the Welfare, the single mothers, the fatherless kids, poverty, child abuse and violent criminals appear everywhere.
    Son the society is ready to collapse or to be invaded.
    That is what the Bible is telling us, too.

    Now we have the science of Facts in Stats supporting the beliefs people have rad in the Bible.
    But the problem is in talking and teaching and openly showing young people.
     
  17. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2012
    Messages:
    17,005
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Meanings are listed with the definition in the dictionaries.

    I don't "change" the words.
    Just choose the meaning which fits the story so it makes sense in our Age.

    The word "yowm" means day, or morning, or afternoon, of duration, or year, Age, duration, ... or "period" of time, too.
    Ancient readers choose the meaning "day" when you and I know a duration or period is better for the six "days."

    [​IMG]
     
  18. Gorn Captain

    Gorn Captain Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2012
    Messages:
    35,580
    Likes Received:
    237
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Boiled down, CD's idea is to convince people that the Bible is "science" by re-translating odd Bible passages into physics.....

    and of course to have Government-enforced chastity belts and burkhas for all those "evil temptresses" women who are making men think lustful thoughts.

    The rest is just ...flourish. :)
     
  19. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2012
    Messages:
    17,005
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Concrete genetic evidence for the first "human being" around 7 million years ago can be seen in your body cells and mine, too.
    By an Act-of-God, two of the 24 Ape chromosomes fused together and man evolved with 23 chromosomes.
    We can see that the fused chromosome has another whole chromosome inside it.

    Both are the same as the apes' chromosome, except they are fused.
    Then, 22 now extinct "humans" followed according to Science, which is the same number as in the "begats" of Gen 4 and 5.
     
  20. Gorn Captain

    Gorn Captain Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2012
    Messages:
    35,580
    Likes Received:
    237
    Trophy Points:
    0
    But do you know WHY the Literalists are so desperate to keep Noah "history"?

    Because if it isn't....they are faced with something more terrifying to them than any imagery of Hell....



    "grey area" about the Bible...


    which could also be applied to the NEW Testament as well as the Old.

    And they can't handle that possibility.
     
  21. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2012
    Messages:
    17,005
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Right,... Dave just wants to hurt Gays,... right?

    YOUR plan is attack and ridicule the Bible so people won't take what it says meaningfully, and stop the open Gay and Harlot behaviors that hurts the kids and the country.
    Why Gays and Harlots make sex so open and out there, is because they hope to net more young people into this action.
    There is zero reason for Gays or even Harlots to make everyone KNOW they are promiscuous,... except to "advertise."
     
  22. Gorn Captain

    Gorn Captain Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2012
    Messages:
    35,580
    Likes Received:
    237
    Trophy Points:
    0
    It's a CD classic.

    He can take any passage in the Bible and "translate" it to mean anything he wants.

    Like-

    Whoever "probable Dr. Seuss character" believes in the Son "the center of the Solar System mis-spelled" has eternal "English R&B girl group formed in 1992" life; whoever does not obey "Ebay mis-spelled" the Son shall not see life"The Milton Bradley board game", but the wrath "Nickname of British actor Basil Rathbone" of God remains"Of The Day", Anthony Hopkins, 1993" on himFinnish rock band from Helsinki.
     
  23. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2012
    Messages:
    17,005
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    48
    There are zero "gray areas" if one reads what the Bible ACTUALLY says, and double checks the medieval words which often were chosen by men who had zero knowledge of better choices.

    They could NOT choose "yowm" to mean "millennium," because no one KNEW that species had lived for hundreds of thousands of years.
    And the Bible writers wanted early readers to choose "years," because men living 950 "years" seemed almost possible.
    But for men to live 950 thousand years was have been unbelievable back then.

    They did not know about species then.
     
  24. Gorn Captain

    Gorn Captain Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2012
    Messages:
    35,580
    Likes Received:
    237
    Trophy Points:
    0
    You walk around all day looking at thost "harlots"...don't you, CD? With their skimpy dresses and low-cut blouses......TEMPTING good decent, God-fearing, sexually pure men like yourself? Creating evil thoughts in your head....

    and you dream that SOMEHOW you can stop it.
     
  25. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2012
    Messages:
    17,005
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Doesn't every Bible read do exactly that?
    People read the text and then tells us what it means to them.
    Churches form when others buy in to what Jehovah Witnesses say, or what the Pope says, of whatever.
     

Share This Page