Former ambassador: America's REAL target in Middle East is Iran - not Syria or ISIS!

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    Source: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/782186/US-Middle-East-interests-Syria-Isis-Iran-ambassador

    "Stating the obvious". I've been thinking that Iran did its calculations well before kneeling down those poor US soldiers in Basra but still there is this ISIS opening all doors in the middle east for the US rendering it to maneuver over a large sized land mass in not one but two countries with the help of again not one but two strongly armed and trained proxies (PKK and ISIS).

    Along with some regional allies like Israel, and KSA the US ability to pressure Iran on the surface enlarges. However, Russia's involvement and Iran's successful strategic counter moves -which I do believe falls under an umbrella strategy that can be named as "Offense is the best defense"- like Houthis in Yemen, and Hezbollah's action in Syria have been enough for a US setback toward any planned Iran intervention.
     
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    Despite the bloody islamic revolution, I have pretty good hopes that the islamic republic of Iran will finally and slowly turn into a democratic republic, and maybe in a very long time, into a secular republic. If I distrust the muslim religion, I rather appreciate the persian culture.
     
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    The US/Israeli plan has always been to attack Iran. However, it isn't possible with Israel's neighborhood opposition in a position to retaliate. Thus Iraq had to go. Thus Libya had to go. Thus Lebanon and Palestine had to be crushed. Thus Syria had to go.
    Fortunately, Lebanon repelled the neoZionist occupation and Syria ain't going nowhere. So the plan is on hold.
    You may never have thought that you'd have cause to thanks the Russians- but you do.
     
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    Iran once was a thriving, vibrant Western-looking democracy-until America destroyed it in 1953, creating the problems it is now whining about. Blame America, not Iran.
     
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    In order to express it in a concrete way so that there is no misunderstanding:

    It is the United States and the United Kingdom, who in 1953 disempower the democratically elected President, Mossadegh, who was democratically elected even after his own scale, and then brought a bloody regime under the Shah into power.
    Yes, this regime war was quite western and yes, many minorities were protected from persecution of extremists because of the shah of these minorities. Dieselbe There were also procedures in Iraq and Syria and they are the reason why many people say it was great at Assad in Syria and Saddam in Iraq. The minorities protected by the dictators also occupied important positions of power in the regimes (already forgotten that the Iraqi Foreign Minister was a Christian under Saddam).
    The problem is, however, that these dictators do not allow any real opposition, which would jeopardize their power, and all this with the help of the USA, which wants to keep their friends in power ... uninteresting as bloody this happens!

    When, in 1979, the evil Kohmenei came and took power, these evil mullahs and Iranians (as they are now called) have occupied the US embassy. It is very angry and since then Iran has been the enemy of the USA for about 40 years.
    Why this occupation of the message and hostage-taking happened is uninteresting ... but if you know that the great CIA from the message out the counterrevolution planned and started to make, it becomes more understandable ... even if it is not excusable!

    And when you know that the fired security advisor Flynn was Iran hater since ever and made concrete strategic planning how to invade Iran and kick of Mullahs far before being called by Trump and then becoming advisor before being finally fired out of other reasons ... well ... it shows the tendency of Trump administration about Iran. So a good question if the US people want to have a second Iraq War against the Mullahs!
     
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    That's what I believe too. Russia's intervention was a rescue boat for the region's weak countries and their regimes.

    However, I always keep in mind FDR's words:

    "In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way."

    Just for brainstorming:

    When Obama's withdrawal from the region is considered with the aforementioned strong words of a very well known politician, I personally can't help thinking whether the Russian intervention to Syria in the aftermath of the US withdrawal came with an agreement. That's not just it for sure. There were also some regional developments supporting such hypothesis like Russia's proxy build up -within Syria particularly- started way before it's military intervention (2012) without diplomatically encountering any thriving clamors from the west; or like the fact that although there was no any written proof for Assad's invitation, the EU and the US did not even question the legitimacy of such intervention. The world seems like being politically shaped by another synthetic cold war episode despite some resistance against the change. Maybe the rise of the nation-states today was meant to be. Are we on a nation-state "stage" of that "smooth" transition towards globalization? Is it possible that more than half of the world's population are seen as a mere mass who must be "integrated" to western style "urbanization" -which is one of the most crucial requirements of globalist society- or be "eliminated" via engineered groups like ISIS?
     
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    .....so why doesnt Europe accept Turkey into the union and started to "Western" you a decade ago ?
     
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    I'm trying really hard to follow this garbage post but seriously lost, lets put a side that Iraq and Iran were rivals and Lybia is in no possion to assist Iran even if Gadafi attached a rocket and wings to each Muslim ass, Palestine ??? you suggest the war with the Palestinians was because we are after Iran now ?

    The gems you Arabs produce when you get together and schem and whine are the main reason I come online - I admit :)

    BTW Passover is approaching, where is the guy that accused us cellebrating dead Egyptian babies ? I miss him....
     
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    well, ISIS
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    compere it , Muscovite second hybrid army in Ukraine , or the third in Syria
     
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    Turkey already has a 72.89 percent urbanization rate along with being 15th largest economy in the world, is a NATO country and having a corporatist society all over since the begining of 24 January 1980 when open market regulations put in effect. I admire your ambition for "learning", but you still should have asked in the first place:

    "Why Bush in 2004 stated that Turkey was chosen as a "model" state and regime for the entire Middle East"?

    Having a secular democracy with a Muslim majority could have given a hint If you'd done more thinking...
     
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    I have an erection every time someone mentions Turkey, but you said they want to "western" you so I asked...
     
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    I didn't know you were suffering bestiality... I'm sorry dude seriously. Hope you get well soon.

    I just can't remember where I said "they want to western us" for some reason :(
     
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    Hopefully. Iran straddles the oil corridor .. They should be very prosperous and modern.. Would be if not for the Mullahs.
     
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    LoL...

    I bet the sneaky snake also knows about what EU commission report on Turkey states:

    "Revising the legislation and practices on terrorism in line with European standards, notably by better aligning the definition of terrorism in order to narrow the scope of the definition and by introducing a criterion of proportionality."

    The commission pretty much asks for a change in definition of "terror" in Turkish law to limit Turkiye's anti-terror operations against PKK which has been well supported by the EU. So while putting PKK sort of terror organizations into its "non-functioning" designated terror organizations list, the EU obviously once again wants to push for "period of openness" (acilim sureci in Turkish) in our country in order to build a legitimacy for a "seperatist" societal base within Turkish public. This is in short to say; "recognize PKK" as an autonomous authority within your own legislature organs for now and we'll discuss your EU membership...

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    Yet that EU hilariously asks this sort of globalist agenda to take effect in our country while it has been crumbling down like a big ass cookie by those dictating nation state principles. They can shove every single one of those criterias right up because despite his long time friendship with the EU, Erdogan's west tendency too has come to an end as the "realities" of Turkish Republic just started to make the government see what an anti-imperialist majority really wants:
    Eurasia !
     
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    -DELETED-

    :cheerleader:
     
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    Is PKK a terror organization? Very questionable!

    As more as this new Sultan in Ankara eliminates the Democracy in his country and eliminating Ataturk thinking, the question is more open about Turkish threating of Kurds!

    But we see it very clearly with the current Cleanings of Erdogan scum, because anyone in opposition is automatically accused to be terrorist or supporter of terrorism. Someone writing pure truth of a by own Turkish law illegal action of Turkish Secret Service to deliver weapons to al Nusra in Syria, stopped by Turkish Justice ... goes together with responsible prosecutor and police officer of the arresting into prison as traitors and terrorist!

    So in result: if Erdogan orders to break Turkish law, then it is not illegal. Anyone who say it is, is then a terrorist!

    And the handling of Guelen movement by Erdogan is also more as silly! More and more it is more likely that Erdogan ordered this coup last year to have reason for all these things he does since then!
     
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    I said:
    The response:
    Let alone the "inability" of comprehension of the context that was partly quoted, the possibility of being able to get the right inferences is fading away :(

    Maybe I should repeat it in Hebrew:
    I guess I got no choice but to start my daily erection by looking at the pictures of the ones crying up against a wall...
     
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    How you been Hans? Long time no see man. You sound a little dizzy there. Are you alright?

    I suggest you to drink up this freshly squeezed officially designated list juice:

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    You are probebly right but do the Turks have the right to elect a Sultan and give up their freedoms ?
    lol, your English is not perfect and mine isnt either I thought you meant that but then understood it diffrently so I deleted my post, your last part sounds like you want to jerk off to praying Jews ? is that my English or yours ?
     
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    You are very happy today :)

    Can I assume the Jews at the wall got something to do with it ?
     
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    I don't know Gyros... Did you sound like you wanted to jerk off to Turks when you said:

    Or was that just what bestiality naturally brings?

    And to be honest, I wouldn't even think of comparing my English to anybody else's if I were you... :)
     
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    I thought you were touching yourself when you talked about Turkey, didnt want you to feel bad about yourself.
    I already did.
     
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    I didn't know you were having erection by thinking some other guy touching himself. Weird... I am straight and I'd be appreciated if you don't read my posts or not think of anything if you do so... Thanks...
     

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