Former Pink Floyd frontman sparks fury by comparing Israelis to Nazis

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  1. DrewBedson

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    Easy. They can end it any time they wish simply by making peace rather than continue to attempt to destroy Israel.

    Jews in Nazi occupied Europe had no choice.
     
  2. Face. Your

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    The only Nazi here is him, comparing Jews to Nazi's is overtly anti-Semitic:

    Definitions of Anti-Semitism

    Natan Sharansky, when he was the Israeli minister of Jerusalem and Diaspora affairs, developed a simple formula that he called the “3D test” to help distinguish legitimate criticism of Israel from anti-Semitism: demonization, double standards, and delegitimization.
    - See more at: http://jcpa.org/article/holocaust-i...srael-and-jews-as-nazis/#sthash.PF1L5pOk.dpuf


    http://jcpa.org/article/holocaust-inversion-the-portraying-of-israel-and-jews-as-nazis/

    The assertion that the situation of the Palestinians is even remotely comparable to what the Jews endured under the Nazi regime is so ludicrous that it doesn't even warrant serious discussion, Roger Waters is a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing Nazi and an idiot to boot.
     
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    Do you feel even a slight twinge when you so blatantly lie through your (*)(*)(*)(*)ing teeth?

    A majority of Palestinians say the act of suicide bombing is often or sometimes justified, according to a new Pew Research survey.

    In response to the prompt, “Suicide bombings can be justified…” 62 percent of Palestinians responded “often” or “sometimes”:

    Support for suicide bombing and other violence aimed at civilian targets is most widespread in the Palestinian territories, with 62% of Muslims saying that such attacks are often or sometimes justified in order to defend Islam from its enemies. Support is strong both in Hamas-ruled Gaza (64%) and the Fatah-governed West Bank (60%). [...]

    For the most part, support for suicide bombing is not correlated with devoutness. Generally, Muslims who say they pray five times per day are no more likely to support targeting civilians to protect Islam than those who pray less often. The only exception is the Palestinian territories, where 66% of Muslims who pray five times per day say suicide bombing is often or sometimes justified versus 49% of those who pray less than five times per day.



    http://freebeacon.com/poll-palestinians-overwhelmingly-say-suicide-bombing-justified/

    Not only do the majority of Palestinians support violence but they support deliberately targeting civilians, game, set, and mother (*)(*)(*)(*)ing match.
     
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    Anyone who is more intrested in its own power base, revenge,religious zeal,...

    There still is and there never will be any justification to attack civilians , yet palestinians basicly do this on a daily basis.
    Demanding unrealistic goals in negotiations, terrorism, spreading the conflict,... Plenty you can blame palestinians. Its not because they are occupied they cant do anything wrong you know.



    If they would have attacked german civilians on a daily basis of course the german army would have responded.

    Just like the mayority of israelies .
     
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    Only if they accept the unrealistic terms set by israel.

    Peace needs to come from both sides israel included. Israel cant have everything it wants while leaving barely anything for palestinians. ANd up until now there has never been a realistic proposition made by israelies.

    Of course they had: to die or flee, again unrealistic demands. ANd yes israel isnt nazi germany but it does share some traits .
     
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    It's kind of darkly amusing watching the pro Israel gang circle their dwindling wagons time and time again, always resorting to their trite accusations of nazi and anti Semite to bolster their recidivist cause. It's been quite refreshing over the years to see staunchly supportive people become educated and then horrified at Israeli malfeasance. I doubt that's a tide which will be turned and fully expect more and more people to say no to Israel in their small, humble ways.

    Of course there's nothing unreasonable in anything Waters has said, at least not to the sane, clear thinking among us. His view is in the ascendency, the opposing view is dying.

    Good.
     
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    Do you really think, that some jews choosed to die? Shocking logic.
     
  8. Sherri Munnerlyn

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    When faced with danger like Jews once faced in Europe from Nazism and what Palestinians face today in Palestine from Zionism, some flee their homes and some stay.

    Refugees are created in both scenarios.

    Just another illustration of how similar Nazism and Zionism are to each other.
     
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    The website below lists children who died in Palestine, Palestinians and Israelis.

    The numbers are not updated fully for 2013, just a few weeks ago a 13 year old Palestinian child was killed by an IDF soldier, shot in the back as he walked home from school.

    Palestinian children killed.

    TOTALS SINCE SEPT 2000:
    Palestinians: 1519

    TOTALS FOR 2013:
    Palestinians: 3


    http://rememberthesechildren.org/remember2013.html

    In 1948, 750,000 Palestinians fled their homes in Palestine out of fear. They were not allowed to return, even though they have a clear right to return under international law. They and their descendants (with other refugees who fled later) make up the millions of Palestinian refugees who live in refugee camps in surrounding countries, in other parts of occupied Palestine today, or elsewhere in the world.
     
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    Ordinary Palestinian people have no choices, but to stay and endure Occupation and all of its abuses or flee. Israel continues to make their lives miserable, to encourage them to flee.

    Jews in Europe had the identical choices.

    A difference is the Palestinian people's Occupation by Zionists (now enduring more than 40 years) has endured now much longer then the Jews' Occupation endured in Europe.
     
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    How is calling for peace bashing anyone?
     
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    Abject (*)(*)(*)(*)ing nonsense, appx. 5.5 million Jews died by the danger posed to them by the Third Reich, if the Palestinians were in the same boat there would be none of them left, instead they have an exponential population growth so please spare us the anti-Semitic demonization.
     
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    What is their methodology for these figures? What are the children's names? How many of them had bombs strapped to them by Hamas? How many of them were used as child soldiers by the Jihadists? How many of them were human shields? Can you name the three children killed in 2013?


    Iit was the Arabs who initiated the conflict in the first place:

    Beginning with the Battle of Tel Hai when Arabs attacked a Jewish settlement in which 8 Jews were killed, this was followed by the Nebi Musa Riots in 1921 in which the Arabs killed 5 Jews, then the Jaffa Riots, also in 1921 where the Arabs killed 45 Jews, and then we had the Palestine Riots in 1929 in which the Arabs killed 133 Jews, this was followed by the Safed Massacre in 1929 in which 20 Jews were killed, this all culminated with the anti-Semitic Jihadist organization known as the Black Hand which routinely targeted Jewish settlers culminating in the Arab revolt between 1936 and 1939 in which the Arabs indiscriminately targeted Jews.

    The Deir Yassin massacre on April 9, 1948 which resulted in 107 dead Arab villagers was followed by the Hassah Medical Convoy Massacre on April 13th 1948 resulting in 79 dead Jews, and itself was followed by the Kfar Etzion Massacre on May 13, 1948 resulting in the deaths of 129 Jews, Kfar Etzion was in turn followed by the al-Dawayima massacre where appx.100 Arabs were killed on October 28, 1948, and point of fact Deir Yassin itself was preceded by the Ben Yehuda Street Bombing of February 22, 1948 in which 58 Jewish civilians were killed.

    The Levantine Jews (as proven by numerous genetic studies) through the Jewish Agency which became the provisional Israeli government fully accepted the partition plan; whereas, the Arab Higher Commission for Palestine and the Arab League fully rejected partition and begun a war against the Jews even before the British Mandate expired through the Army of the Holy war led by the nephew of the Nazi Mufti and the Arab Liberation Army respectively.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_the_Holy_War
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Liberation_Army

    This was coupled with a detailed plan formed and legislated by the Arab League to ethnically cleanse and lock their own Jewish citizens into concentration camps while seizing all of their assets:


    JEWS DISPLACED FROM ARAB COUNTRIES: A STORY OF COLLUSION

    http://www.justiceforjews.com/chrono_web.pdf


    Text of the Law Drafted by the Political Committee of the Arab League

    Summary

    In 1947, the Political Committee of the Arab League (League of Arab States) drafted a law which was to govern the legal status of Jewish residents in all Arab League countries. This law had already been approved by Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Iraq, provided that, “beginning with a specified date, all Jews – with the exception of citizens of non-Arab countries – were to be considered members of the Jewish ‘minority state of Palestine,’ and that their bank account be frozen and used to finance resistance to ‘Zionist ambitions in Palestine.’ Jews believed to be active Zionists would be interned as political prisoners and their assets confiscated. Only Jews who accept active service in Arab armies or place themselves at the disposal of these armies would be considered ‘Arabs.’” 1

    Excerpts of Direct Quotes of the Law drafted by the Political Committee of the Arab League

    • “All Jewish citizens…will be considered as members of the Jewish minority of the State of Palestine and will have to register [“within 7 days”] with the authorities of the region wherein they reside, giving their names, the exact number of members in their families, their addresses, the names of their banks and the amounts of their deposits in these banks…”2

    • “Bank accounts of Jews will be frozen. These funds will be utilized in part or in full to finance the movement of resistance to Zionist ambitions in Palestine.”3

    • “Only Jews who are subjects of foreign countries will be considered ‘neutrals.’ These will be compelled either to return to their countries, with a minimum of delay, or be considered Arabs and obliged to accept active service in the Arab army.”4

    • “Every Jew whose activities reveal that he is an active Zionist will be considered as a political prisoner and will be interned in places specifically designated for that purpose by police authorities or by the Government. His financial resources, instead of being frozen, will be confiscated.”5

    • “Any Jew who will be able to prove that his activities are anti-Zionist will be free to act as he likes, provided that he declares his readiness to join the Arab armies.”6

    • “The foregoing…does not mean that those Jews will not be submitted to paragraphs 1 and 2 of this law.”7

    1 Memorandum Submitted to the U.N. Economic and Social Council by the World Jewish Congress. (Jan. 19, 1948 ) Section I. (2) a. June 2, 1948. [ZIIC - This reference is in the document prepared by JJAC and is probably incorrect]

    2 Text of the Law drafted by the Political Committee of the Arab League. Paragraph 1.

    3 ibid. Paragraph 2.

    4 ibid. Paragraph 3.

    5 ibid. Paragraph 5.

    6 ibid. Paragraph 6.

    7 ibid. Paragraph 7. (Paragraph 1 & 2 indicate all Jews must register and disclose personal and banking information and

    that bank accounts will be frozen and utilized for anti-Zionist resistance.)


    http://www.zionism-israel.com/hdoc/Arab_League_Law_Jews.htm

    What about the right of return of the Israeli refugees who were ethnically cleansed from the entire Arab world whose assets lost were exponentially greater?

    There is absolutely 0 precedence in the history of the planet where descendents of refugees who never even set foot in the country they fled to be granted a right of return. There is no such right under international law, what you are supporting is the destruction of Israel through a demographic shift; furthermore, they were granted this right by Israel provided they swore allegiance to the state of Israel, some 100,000 Arabs took advantage of this offer when it was still on the table, I'll tell you what either grant compensation to the Jewish refugees or grant them a right of return and the restoration of all their assets that were stolen by the Arab League countries who ethnically cleansed them and then we can talk about the right of return for the Arabs that can prove residence in Israel proper prior to 1948.

    It was the Arabs who created the refugee camps instead of allowing them to become citizens because they wanted to use them for future attacks on Israel.
     
  14. Sherri Munnerlyn

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    Where is your list of the so called 5.5 million dead Jews?

    If it were true, there would be no Jews left, that is applying your very own reasoning, that is.

    Spare us your racist anti Semitism, the indigenous Palestinians are the true Semites of Palestine .
     
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    Due to the atrocities visited upon the Jewish people by the Nazi regime, labeling Jews Nazis through the demonization is in fact overtly anti-Semitic.

    What a crock of (*)(*)(*)(*), due to this mans drug excesses it is clear that he is now a functional (*)(*)(*)(*)ing retard, appx. 5.5 million Jews died in the holocaust and 6 million more non-Jews, if the Palestinians were in the same boat there would be none of them left, instead they have an exponential population growth so please spare us the anti-Semitic demonization.
     
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    There were systematic policies to exterminate Jews and Roma as well as people with disabilities and unwanted religious or political views. The estimate for Jews killed is around 5.1 million. It may not be exact but it was massive.

    There is no way that Israel has done this. Policy's for ethnic cleansing, yes. Genocide no.
     
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    Aww we have a holocaust denying propagandist.

    Actually there is a searchable database of over 4.2 million names and back stories of Jewish victims of the Shoah compiled by Yad Vashem.

    http://db.yadvashem.org/names/search.html?language=en

    You people have already been provided the Special Operational Reports of the Einsatzgrupen to the SS-Reichssicherheitshauptamt Reich Main Security Office (RSHA) detailing the targeting of Jews, the dates of the killings, where they were killed, and how many:

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/sitreptoc.html

    You have been shown the authentication of those reports by SS-Sturmbannführer Kurt Lindow chief of subdepartment IV A 1 [of the RSHA] who received them.

    http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/esg/authenticity.html

    You have been provided the Jager report produced by SS-Standartenführer Karl Jäger, commander of Einsatzkommando 3 detailing the extermination of Lithuanian Jewry including nearly 40,000 children:

    http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DocJager.htm

    You have been shown the testimony of Morgen, Kremer, Böck, Hofmann, Hössler, Klein, Münch, and Stark, all high ranking Nazis, none charged with any crimes, who all came forward of their own volition to testify, and to this day have not recanted their testimony to their dying day,

    You have been shown the Wannsee Transcripts outlining the Final Solution to the Jewish question.

    http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/wansee-transcript.html

    You have been shown the testimony of SS Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann the man who took the minutes of the conference who confirmed them as authentic during his trial under questioning from his defense attorney's Robert Servatius and Dieter Wechtenbruch:in the German.

    http://www.ghwk.de/ghwk/engl/texts/eichmanns-testimony.pdf

    [video=youtube;kPFcMy1oLIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPFcMy1oLIA[/video]

    [video=youtube;m3TqRrAK4e0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3TqRrAK4e0[/video]

    You have been shown Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler's Poznan Speech of October 4, 1943 proving that Final Solution was a euphemism for extermination and not deportation:

    I am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It's one of those things that is easily said: 'The Jewish people are being exterminated', says every party member, 'this is very obvious, it's in our program, elimination of the Jews, extermination, we're doing it, hah, a small matter.' [...] But of all those who talk this way, none had observed it, none had endured it. Most of you here know what it means when 100 corpses lie next to each other, when 500 lie there or when 1,000 are lined up. To have endured this and at the same time to have remained a decent person - with exceptions due to human weaknesses - had made us tough. This is a page of glory never mentioned and never to be mentioned. [...] We have the moral right, we had the duty to our people to do it, to kill this people who wanted to kill us.

    http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/

    And another on October 6, 1943:

    I ask of you that that which I say to you in this circle be really only heard and not ever discussed. We were faced with the question: what about the women and children? – I decided to find a clear solution to this problem too. I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men - in other words, to kill them or have them killed and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of their children to grow up. The difficult decision had to be made to have this people disappear from the earth. For the organisation which had to execute this task, it was the most difficult which we had ever had. [...] I felt obliged to you, as the most superior dignitary, as the most superior dignitary of the party, this political order, this political instrument of the Führer, to also speak about this question quite openly and to say how it has been. The Jewish question in the countries that we occupy will be solved by the end of this year. Only remainders of odd Jews that managed to find hiding places will be left over.


    You have been shown the comparative World Almanac census statistics for the global Jewish population showing a drop of nearly 5.5 million between 1938 and 1949.

    http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.cgi?people//f/freedman.benjamin/background-data

    You have been shown the Nazi document showing that an 80,000 cremation capacity per month at Auschwitz was insufficient.

    http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/

    You have been shown the details of the mass graves excavated at Belzec:

    Grave 3 is 16 meters long by 15 meters wide by 5 meters deep (about 52 feet by 50 feet by 16 feet.)

    Grave 10 is 24 meters long by 18 meters wide by 5 meters deep (about 78 feet by 59 feet by 16 feet.)

    Grave 20 extends outside the current camp boundaries and so could not be completely measured. The part that could be measured is 26 meters long by 11 meters wide by 5 meters deep (85 feet by 36 feet by 16 feet).

    More dishonestly, Mattogno fails to mention at all that Graves 1, 4, 13, 25, 27, 28 and 32 also contain unburned remains.

    Therefore, out of 10 graves that held whole human remains, Mattogno only acknowledges 3 of them.

    Grave 5 contains "pieces of burnt human bones so densely packed together that the drill could not penetrate further." The grave is 32 meters long by 10 meters wide by 4.50 meters deep (about 105 feet by 33 feet by 15 feet).

    Grave 6 is 30 meters long by 10 meters wide by 4 meters deep (about 99 feet by 33 feet by 13 feet). It contains "carbonized wood and pieces of fragments of burnt human bones. At the east end of the grave, the ground is covered with gray sand containing a mixture of crushed pieces of burnt and unburned pieces of human bones."

    Graves 3, 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, and 33 all contain fragments of burnt human bones, human ashes and carbonized wood.

    Grave 14 is the largest in the camp. It contains "burnt pieces of human bones and fragments of carbonized wood mixed with grey sandy soil to a depth of 5 meters." That is about 16 feet deep.

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspo t.com/2006/05/carlo-mattogno-on-belzec.html

    You have been shown the unrepentant testimony of SS-Gruppenführer Otto Ohlendorf head of Einsatzgruppen D outlining the rear actions of the Einsatzagruppen regarding the intentional murder of ethnic Jews in the East based on their blood including the women and children:


    Q. What were these orders?

    A. These orders had as their purpose to make it as easy as possible for the unfortunate victim and to prevent the brutality of the men from leading to inevitable excesses. Thus I first ordered that only so many victims should be brought to the place of execution as the execution commandos could handle. Any individual action by any individual man was forbidden. The Einsatzkommandos shot in a military manner only upon orders. It was strictly ordered to avoid any maltreatment, undressing was not permitted. The taking of any personal possessions was not permitted. Publicity was not permitted, and at the very moment when it was noted that a man had experienced joy in carrying out these executions, it was ordered that this man should never participate in any more executions. The men could not report voluntarily, they were ordered.
    Q. Why did you not prevent the liquidations?

    A. Even if I use the most severe standard in judging this, I had as little possibility as any of the codefendants here to prevent this order. There was only one thing, a senseless martyrdom through suicide, senseless because this would not have changed anything in the execution of this order, for this order was not an order of the SS, it was an order of the Supreme Commander in Chief and the Chief of State; it was not only carried out by Himmler or Heydrich. The army had to carry it out too, the High Command of the Army as well as the commanders in the east and southeast who were the superior commanders for the Einsatzgruppen and Einsatzkommandos. If I could imagine a theoretical possibility, then there was only the refusal on the part of those persons who were in the uppermost hierarchy and could appeal to the Supreme Commander and Chief of State, because they had the only possibility of getting access to him. They were, after all, the highest bearers of responsibility in the theater of operations.

    Q. Did you not try in Nikolaev to dissuade the Reich Leader SS from this order?

    A. The situation in Nikolaev was especially depressing in a moral sense, because in agreement with the army, we had excluded a large number of Jews, the farmers, from the executions. When the Reich Leader SS was in Nikolaev on 4 or 5 October, I was reproached for this measure and he ordered that henceforth, even against the will of the army, the executions should take place as planned. When the Reich Leader SS arrived at my headquarters, I had assembled all available commanders of my Einsatzgruppe. The Reich Leader addressed these men and repeated the strict order to kill all those groups which I have designated. He added that he alone would carry the responsibility, as far as accounting to the Fuehrer was concerned. None of the men would bear any responsibility, but he demanded the execution of this order, even though he knew how harsh these measures were. Nevertheless, after supper, I spoke to the Reich Leader and I pointed out the inhuman burden which was being imposed on the men in killing all these civilians. I didn't even get an answer.

    Q. Now, I cannot pronounce it correctly, the Karaims were another sect whom you encountered in the south of Russia, and this sect had no Jewish blood, but it did share the religious confessions of the Jews. Is that right?

    A. Yes.

    Q. You submitted to Berlin the question whether the Karaims should be killed, and I understood you to say that the order you got from Berlin was you shall not kill them for they have nothing in common with the Jews except the confession?

    A. Yes.

    Q. Will you explain to the Court, please, what difference there was between the Karaims and the Krimchaks, except Jewish blood ?

    A. I understand your question completely in reference to the eastern Jews, in the case of the Jews who were found in the eastern campaign. These Jews were to be killed-according to the order-for the reason that they were considered carriers of bolshevism, and, therefore, considered as endangering the security of the German Reich. This concerned the Jews who were found in Russia, and it was not known to me that the Jews in all of Europe were being killed, but on the contrary I knew that down to my dismissal these Jews were not killed, but it was attempted at all costs to get them to emigrate. The fact that the Karaims were not killed showed that the charge of the prosecution that persons were persecuted for their religion is not correct, for the Karaims had that Jewish religion, but they could not be killed because they did not belong to the Jewish race.

    Q. I think, Witness, you answered exactly what I had antici-

    *Sect which refused the Talmud and adopted the Old Testament as sole source of faith.
    **Turkish Jews of mixed Semitic and Tartaric blood.

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    pated in the last sentence, "They did not belong to the JewishRace," is that right?

    A. Yes, That is right.

    Q. They were found in Russia?

    A. Yes.

    Q. But they participated in the Jewish confession in Russia?

    A. The Karaims had the Jewish faith, yes.

    Q. But your race authorities in Berlin could find no trace of Jewish blood in them?

    A. Yes.

    Q. So they came absolutely under the Fuehrer Decree or the Streckenbach Order to kill all Jews?

    A. Yes.

    Q. Because of blood?

    A. Because they were of Jewish origin. For you must understand the Nazi ideology, as you call it. It was the opinion of the Fuehrer that in Russia and in bolshevism, the representatives of this blood showed themselves especially suitable for this idea, therefore, the carriers of this blood became especially suitable representatives of the bolshevism. That is not on account of their faith, or their religion, but because of their human make-up and character.

    Q. And because of their blood, right?

    A. I cannot express it any more definitely than I stated, from their nature and their characteristics. Their blood, of course, has something to do with it, according to National Socialist ideology.

    Q. Let's see, if I can understand it; we've got a lot of time, I hope. What was the distinction except blood?

    A. Between whom?

    B. Between the Karaims and the Krimchaks?

    A. The difference of the blood, yes.

    Q. Only the difference in blood, is that so?

    A. Yes.

    Q. So the criterion and the test which you applied in your slaughter was blood?

    A. The criteria which I used were the orders which I got, and it has not been doubted during the entire trial, that in this
    Fuehrer Order the Jews were designated as the ones who belonged to that circle in Russia and who were to be killed.

    Q. Tell us how orders that you operated under in 1941 in Russia differed from the order which controlled killing of Jews in Poland in 1939 ?

    A. In Poland individual actions had been ordered, while in Russia, during the entire time of the commitment, the killing of all Jews had been ordered. Special actions in Poland had been ordered, whose contents I do not know in detail.

    COL. AMEN: Were all victims, including the men, women, and children executed in the same manner?

    OHLENDORF: Until the spring of 1942, yes. Then an order came from Himmler that in the future women and children were to be killed only in gas vans.

    COL. AMEN: How had women and children been killed previously?

    OHLENDORF: In the same was as the men - by shooting.

    COL. POKROVSKY: You said that mostly women and children were executed in these vans. For what reason?

    OHLENDORF: That was a special order from Himmler to the effect that women and children were not to be exposed to the mental strain of the executions; and thus the men of the kommandos, mostly married men, should not be compelled to aim at women and children.

    THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): In your testimony you said that the Einsatz group had the object of annihilating the Jews and the commissars, is that correct?

    OHLENDORF: Yes.

    THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): And in what category did you consider the children? For what reason were the children massacred?

    OHLENDORF: The order was that the Jewish population should be totally exterminated.

    THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Including the children?

    OHLENDORF: Yes.

    THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Were all the Jewish children murdered?

    OHLENDORF: Yes.


    http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/Einsatz2c.htm
    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/Ohlentestimony.html

    You have been shown the report from SS Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler to Fuhrer Adolf Hitler entitled "Report to the Führer on Combating Partisans", stating that 363,211 Jews had been killed by Einsatzgruppen in August–November 1942.

    [​IMG]

    You have been shown the Höfle Telegrams sent by SS-Sturmbannführer Hermann Höfle on January 11, 1943 to SS-Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann in Berlin and SS Obersturmbannführer Franz Heim in Cracow detailing the number of deaths of Jews in the concentration camps.

    [​IMG]

    You have been shown the Korherr Report written by chief inspector of the statistical bureau of the SS, Dr Richard Korherr outlining the population drop of European Jewry (4 million not including substantial portions of Eastern European Jewry and Jews within occupied Soviet Russia) from 1937 to December 1942.

    http://www.holocaustresearchproject.o rg/holoprelude/korherr.html

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    Remember These Children lists all children killed in the Israeli Palestinian conflict by name and addresses how each child was killed.

    Btselem does the same.

    DCI Palestine does the same.

    I could address each child's details but it would be time consuming. I will address some of the children killed.

    January 2008 Palestinian children killed


    6 January 2008

    Ziad Ismail Abul Rukba, 16, of Bureij refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire during an incursion.


    9 January 2008

    Maher Fathi al-Kafarna, 16, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed by an IDF surface-to-surface missile at al-Basha farm northeast of Beit Hanoun.


    14 January 2008

    Ibrahim abu-Jazar, 2, of Rafah, Gaza, died of an unspecified illness after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.


    15 January 2008

    Shirin Ismail Abdullah abu-Shawareb, 11, of Nuseirat refugee camp, Gaza, died of heart problems at al-Nasr Pediatric Hospital in Gaza City, which lacked necessary equipment, after Israel denied her entry for medical treatment. Doctors had requested transfer to an Israeli hospital on Dec. 27. On Jan. 10, believing permission for a transfer had been granted, Shirin's father took her to the Erez checkpoint, where Israel again denied her entry.


    16 January 2008

    Amir Muhammad Hashem Muhammad al-Yazji, 5, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed, along with his older brother and uncle, by an IDF missile which struck their car on al-Nafaq Street in the al-Daraj neighborhood of Gaza City.


    20 January 2008

    Mahmoud Nahid Hussein, 15, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, died of cancer after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.


    24 January 2008

    Hamid Maher abu-Hamda, 90 days, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of an unspecified illness that required medicine not available in the Gaza Strip after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.


    26 January 2008

    Faten Majdi al-Hafnawi, 10, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of an unspecified illness after Israel denied her permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.


    28 January 2008

    Qusay Suleiman Muhammad al-Afandi, 16, of Dheisheh refugee camp, killed by IDF gunfire to his abdomen while walking to his father’s store during an incursion

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    False, according the genetic and archaeological evidence Arab Palestinians are from the Arabian Peninsula not the Levant; whereas, the overwhelming majority of Jews (80% of males and 50% of female) can trace their lineage to the neolithic Levant and are the ancestors of the ancient Israelites who in turn are the descendents of the Canaanites who adopted monotheism:



    The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people

    Doron M. Behar1,2*, Bayazit Yunusbayev2,3*, Mait Metspalu2*, Ene Metspalu2, Saharon Rosset4, Ju¨ri Parik2,
    Siiri Rootsi2, Gyaneshwer Chaubey2, Ildus Kutuev2,3, Guennady Yudkovsky1,5, Elza K. Khusnutdinova3,
    Oleg Balanovsky6, Ornella Semino7, Luisa Pereira8,9, David Comas10, David Gurwitz11, Batsheva Bonne-Tamir11,
    Tudor Parfitt12, Michael F. Hammer13, Karl Skorecki1,5 & Richard Villems2



    Populations of the Caucasus,
    flanked by Cypriots, form an almost uninterrupted rim that separates
    the bulk of Europeans from Middle Eastern populations. Bedouins,
    Jordanians, Palestinians and Saudi Arabians are located in close
    proximity to each other, which is consistent with a common origin
    in the Arabian Peninsula25,


    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...MK7x7gCdz_nac20ihIKaOEw&bvm=bv.49784469,d.eWU





    The prevailing opinion today is that the Israelites, who eventually evolved into modern Jews and Samaritans, are an outgrowth of the indigenous Canaanites who had resided in the area since the 8th millennium BCE.[8] The name Israel first appears c. 1209 BCE, at the end of the Late Bronze Age and the very beginning of the period archaeologists and historians call Iron Age I, in an inscription of the Egyptian pharaoh Merneptah. The inscription is very brief and says simply: "Israel is laid waste and his seed is not". The hieroglyph accompanying the name "Israel" indicates that it refers to a people, most probably located in the highlands of Samaria.[9] Over the next two hundred years (the period of Iron Age I) the number of highland villages increased from 25 to over 300[10] and the settled population doubled to 40,000.[11] There is general agreement that the majority of the population living in these villages was of Canaanite origin.[10] By the 10th century BCE a rudimentary state had emerged in the north-central highlands,[12] and in the 9th century this became a kingdom. The kingdom was sometimes called Israel by its neighbours, but more frequently it was known as the "House (or Land) of Omri."[13] Settlement in the southern highlands was minimal from the 12th through the 10th centuries BCE, but a state began to emerge there in the 9th century,[14] and from 850 BCE onwards a series of inscriptions are evidence of a kingdom which its neighbours refer to as the "House of David."[15]


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelites#Historical_Israelites


    ^ Tubb, Johnathon (1998 ). Canaanites University of Oklahoma Press, http://books.google.com/books/about/Canaanites.html?id=GH-n4ctvlDYC

    McNutt, Paula (1999). Reconstructing the Society of Ancient Israel. Westminster John Knox Press. ISBN 978-0-664-22265-9. http://books.google.com.au/books?id...srael++By+Paula+M.+McNutt#v=onepage&q&f=false

    Grabbe, Lester L., ed. (2008 ). Israel in Transition: From Late Bronze II to Iron IIa (c. 1250&#8211;850 B.C.E.). T&T Clark International. ISBN 978-0-567-02726-9. http://books.google.com.au/books?id...+IIa+(c.+1250-850+B.C.E.)#v=onepage&q&f=false

    Joffe, Alexander H. (2006). The Rise of Secondary States in the Iron Age Levant. University of Arizona Press. https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...&sig=AHIEtbSIm7oZkrq-cmEGQ9VcnnvfejrQSQ&pli=1

    Davies, Philip R. (1992). In Search of Ancient Israel. Sheffield. ISBN 978-1-85075-737-5. http://books.google.com.au/books?id...+search+of+Ancient+Israel#v=onepage&q&f=false


    Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes

    M. F. Hammer*&#8224;&#8225;,
    A. J. Redd*&#8224;,
    E. T. Wood*&#8224;,
    M. R. Bonner*,
    H. Jarjanazi*,
    T. Karafet*,
    S. Santachiara-Benerecetti¶,
    A. Oppenheim&#8214;,
    M. A. Jobling**,
    T. Jenkins&#8225;&#8225;,
    H. Ostrer&#8224;&#8224;, and
    B. Bonné-Tamir§

    Author Affiliations

    *Laboratory of Molecular Systematics and Evolution, University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ 85721; ¶Department of Genetics, Università degli Studi di Pavia, Pavia 27100, Italy; &#8214;Hadassah Medical School, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Jerusalem 91120, Israel; **Department of Genetics, University of Leicester, Leicester LE1 7RH, England; &#8225;&#8225;SAMIR, University of Witwatersrand, Johannesburg 2000, South Africa; &#8224;&#8224;Department of Pediatrics, New York University Medical Center, New York, NY 10016; and §Department of Human Genetics, Sackler School of Medicine, Ramat Aviv 69978, Israel

    Communicated by Arno G. Motulsky, University of Washington, Seattle, WA (received for review November 17, 1999)


    I guess the Laboratory of Molecular Systematics and Evolution, University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ 85721; ¶Department of Genetics, Università degli Studi di Pavia, Pavia 27100, Italy; **Department of Genetics, University of Leicester, Leicester LE1 7RH, England; &#8225;&#8225;SAMIR, University of Witwatersrand, Johannesburg 2000, South Africa; &#8224;&#8224;Department of Pediatrics, New York University Medical Center, New York, NY 10016; and the peer review process of the University of Washington are all in on the Jewish conspiracy.

    There were only two Israeli medical laboratories involved in the study the &#8214;Hadassah Medical School, Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Jerusalem 91120, Israel; and the §Department of Human Genetics, Sackler School of Medicine, Ramat Aviv 69978, Israel, so I guess that invalidates the entire study in the world of the rabid anti-Semite.

    1. Atzmon G, Hao L, Pe'er I, Velez C, Pearlman A, Palamara PF, Morrow B, Friedman E, Oddoux C, Burns E, Ostrer H. "Abraham's children in the genome era: major Jewish diaspora populations comprise distinct genetic clusters with shared Middle Eastern ancestry." American Journal of Human Genetics 2010;86(6):850-859, doi:10.1016/j.ajhg.2010.04.015.
    1) Department of Pediatrics, Human Genetics Program, NYU Langone Medical Center, New York, NY; 2) Department of Medicine, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; 3) Department of Computer Science, Columbia University, New York, NY; 4) Department of Genetics, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; 5) Chaim Sheba Medical Center, Tel Hashomer, Israel; 6) Center for Genome Informatics, New Jersey Medical School, University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, Newark, NJ.


    I suppose the Department of Pediatrics, Human Genetics Program NYU Langone Medical Center, New York, NY; the Department of Medicine, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; the Department of Computer Science, Columbia University, New York, NY; the Department of Genetics, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, Bronx, NY; and the Center for Genome Informatics, New Jersey Medical School, University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, Newark, NJ are all Zionist mouthpieces as is the peer reviewed American Journal of Human Genetics.

    In this case the only Israeli University involved in the study was Chaim Sheba Medical Center, Tel Hashomer, Israel; so I guess that once again the entire study is invalidated in the world of the rabid anti-Semite.

    2. Behar DM, Metspalu M, Metspalu E, Rosset S, Parik J, Rootsi S, Chaubey G, Kutuev I, Yudkovsky G, Khusnutdinova EK, Balanovsky O, Semino O, Pereira L, Comas D, Gurwitz D, Bonne-Tamir B, Parfitt T, Hammer MF, Skorecki K, Villems R. "The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people." Nature 2010;466:238-242, doi:10.1038/nature09103. The Estonian Biocentre and Department of Evolutionary Biology, University of Tartu, Tartu 51010, Estonia, the Institute of Biochemistry and Genetics, Ufa Research Center, Russian Academy of Sciences, Ufa 450054, Russia, the Research Centre for Medical Genetics, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Moscow 115478, Russia, the Dipartimento di Genetica e Microbiologia, Università di Pavia, Pavia 27100, Italy, the Instituto de Patologia e Imunologia Molecular da Universidade do Porto (IPATIMUP), Porto 4200-465, Portugal, the Faculdade de Medicina, Universidade do Porto, Porto 4200-319, Portugal, the Institute of Evolutionary Biology (CSIC-UPF), CEXS-UPF-PRBB and CIBER de Epidemiología y Salud Pública, Barcelona 08003, Spain, the Department of the Languages and Cultures of the Near and Middle East, Faculty of Languages and Cultures, School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS), University of London, London WC1H 0XG, UK, the ARL Division of Biotechnology, University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona 85721, USA, the Molecular Medicine Laboratory, Rambam Health Care Campus, Haifa 31096, Israel, Department of Human Molecular Genetics and Biochemistry, Sackler Faculty of Medicine, Tel Aviv University, Tel Aviv 69978, Israel, the Department of Statistics and Operations Research, School of Mathematical Sciences, Tel Aviv University, Tel Aviv 69978, Israel, the Rappaport Faculty of Medicine and Research Institute, Technion &#8211; Israel Institute of Technology, Haifa 31096, Israel

    I guess the Estonian Biocentre and Department of Evolutionary Biology, University of Tartu, Tartu 51010, Estonia, the Institute of Biochemistry and Genetics, Ufa Research Center, Russian Academy of Sciences, Ufa 450054, Russia, the Research Centre for Medical Genetics, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Moscow 115478, Russia, the Dipartimento di Genetica e Microbiologia, Università di Pavia, Pavia 27100, Italy, the Instituto de Patologia e Imunologia Molecular da Universidade do Porto (IPATIMUP), Porto 4200-465, Portugal, the Faculdade de Medicina, Universidade do Porto, Porto 4200-319, Portugal, the Institute of Evolutionary Biology (CSIC-UPF), CEXS-UPF-PRBB and CIBER de Epidemiología y Salud Pública, Barcelona 08003, Spain, the Department of the Languages and Cultures of the Near and Middle East, Faculty of Languages and Cultures, School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS), University of London, London WC1H 0XG, UK, and the ARL Division of Biotechnology, University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona 85721, USA, are all Zionist mouthpieces as is the peer reviewed Nature Magazine.

    Uh oh in this case we have 4 Israeli out of total of 13 Universities involved in the study, they are the Molecular Medicine Laboratory, Rambam Health Care Campus, Haifa 31096, Israel, Department of Human Molecular Genetics and Biochemistry, Sackler Faculty of Medicine, Tel Aviv University, Tel Aviv 69978, Israel, the Department of Statistics and Operations Research, School of Mathematical Sciences, Tel Aviv University, Tel Aviv 69978, Israel, the Rappaport Faculty of Medicine and Research Institute, Technion &#8211; Israel Institute of Technology, Haifa 31096, Israel

    Now let us look at some of the studies themselves:



    1. Atzmon G, Hao L, Pe'er I, Velez C, Pearlman A, Palamara PF, Morrow B, Friedman E, Oddoux C, Burns E, Ostrer H. "Abraham's children in the genome era: major Jewish diaspora populations comprise distinct genetic clusters with shared Middle Eastern ancestry." American Journal of Human Genetics 2010;86(6):850-859, doi:10.1016/j.ajhg.2010.04.015.

    2. Behar DM, Metspalu M, Metspalu E, Rosset S, Parik J, Rootsi S, Chaubey G, Kutuev I, Yudkovsky G, Khusnutdinova EK, Balanovsky O, Semino O, Pereira L, Comas D, Gurwitz D, Bonne-Tamir B, Parfitt T, Hammer MF, Skorecki K, Villems R. "The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people." Nature 2010;466:238-242, doi:10.1038/nature09103.

    The competing Rhineland and Khazarian theories were most recently discussed by Ostrer in two studies published in 2012 and in his well received book, Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People. He found that geographically and culturally distant Jews still have more genes in common than they do with non-Jews around them, and that those genes can be traced back to the Levant, an area including modern-day Israel. &#8220;All European [Ashkenazi] Jews seem connected on the order of fourth or fifth cousins, Ostrer has said.

    The concept of the &#8220;Jewish people&#8221; remains controversial. The Law of Return, the Israeli law that established the right of Jews around the world to settle in Israel and which remains in force today, was a central tenet of Zionism. The DNA that links Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Mizrahi, three prominent culturally and geographically distinct Jewish groups, could conceivably be used to support Zionist territorial claims &#8212;except, as Ostrer has pointed out, some of the same markers can be found in Palestinians, distant genetic cousins of the Jews, as well. Palestinians, understandably, want their own &#8216;right of return&#8217;.

    That disagreement over the interpretations of Middle Eastern DNA also pits Jewish traditionalists against a particular strain of secular Jewish ultra-liberals who have joined with anti-Israeli Arabs and many non-Jews to argue for an end to Israel as a Jewish nation. Their hero is the Austrian-born Shlomo Sand&#8212;and now Elhaik. His study gained buzz in neo-Nazi websites and radical anti-Israeli and more radical pro-Palestinian blogs. For example, the notorious former Ku Klux Klansman David Duke actually attacked Elhaik in his latest anti-Jewish rant&#8212;Duke&#8217;s anti-Semitic beliefs hang on the fact that Jews are genetically cohesive and conspiratorial. &#8220;The disruptive and conflict-ridden behavior which has marked out Jewish Supremacist activities through the millennia strongly suggests that Jews have remained more or less genetically uniform and have &#8230; developed a group evolutionary survival strategy based on a common biological unity &#8212; something which strongly militates against the Khazar theory,&#8221; Duke wrote in his blog in February.

    While Elhaik&#8217;s work has provided ideological support for those seeking the destruction of Israel, it&#8217;s fallen flat among established scientists, who peer reviewed his work and found it sloppy at best and political at worst.

    &#8220;He&#8217;s just wrong,&#8221; said Marcus Feldman of Stanford University, a leading researcher in Jewish genetics. &#8220;If you take all of the careful genetic population analysis that has been done over the last 15 years&#8230; there&#8217;s no doubt about the common Middle Eastern origin,&#8221; he said. He added that Elhaik&#8217;s paper &#8220;is sort of a one-off.&#8221;

    &#8220;It&#8217;s an unrealistic premise,&#8221; said University of Arizona geneticist Michael Hammer, one of the world&#8217;s top Y-chromosomal researchers.

    Discover&#8217;s Razib Khan did a textured critique in his Gene Expression blog, noting the study&#8217;s historical fuzziness and its selective use of data to come up with what seems like a pre-cooked conclusion. As Razib writes, it&#8217;s hardly surprising that we would find a small but sizable Khazarian contribution to the &#8220;Jewish gene pool&#8221;. In fact the male line of my own family traces to the Caucuses, suggesting I&#8217;m one of the 20 percent or so of Jews whose lineage traces to converted royal Khazarians. But that view is widely acknowledged by Ostrer, Hammer, Feldman, Michael Thomas and every major researcher in this area&#8212;as summarized in my book, Abraham&#8217;s Children: Race, Identity and the DNA of the Chosen People.


    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonenti...l-calls-those-who-disagree-nazi-sympathizers/

    Further down in the same article, Haaretz at least mentions that there is another side to what genetics tell us about the origins of European Jews. It refers to the work of Professor Harry Ostrer, who is the author of "The Genetic History of the Jews," a new book also published this year by Oxford University Press. Looking at his credentials, his work should have been at the top of the story. Ostrer served as the director of the Human Genetics Program at New York University School of Medicine, where he worked for more than two decades. Today he is head of genetic testing at Albert Einstein College of Medicine. Unlike Elhaik, he does not accept the argument that European Jewry comes from Central Asia but rather he says that Jews around the world can trace their genetic history to the Middle East 2,000 years ago.

    http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_opinion.php?id=3131

    Ostrer, Harry. Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People, Oxford University Press, 2012 http://books.google.com.au/books?id=RayZR3V1SFwC&pg=PA26#v=onepage&q&f=false

    Haplotypes constructed from Y-chromosome markers were used to trace the paternal origins of the Jewish Diaspora. A set of 18 biallelic polymorphisms was genotyped in 1,371 males from 29 populations, including 7 Jewish (Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian) and 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. The Jewish populations were characterized by a diverse set of 13 haplotypes that were also present in non-Jewish populations from Africa, Asia, and Europe. A series of analyses was performed to address whether modern Jewish Y-chromosome diversity derives mainly from a common Middle Eastern source population or from admixture with neighboring non-Jewish populations during and after the Diaspora. Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level. Admixture estimates suggested low levels of European Y-chromosome gene flow into Ashkenazi and Roman Jewish communities. A multidimensional scaling plot placed six of the seven Jewish populations in a relatively tight cluster that was interspersed with Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations, including Palestinians and Syrians. Pairwise differentiation tests further indicated that these Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations were not statistically different. The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora.


    Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes



    ...the Y chromosomes in Palestinian Arabs and Bedouin represent, to a large extent, early lineages derived from the Neolithic inhabitants of the area and additional lineages from more-recent population movements. The early lineages are part of the common chromosome pool shared with Jews. According to our working model, the more-recent migrations were mostly from the Arabian Peninsula, as is seen in the Arab-specific Eu 10 chromosomes that include the modal haplotypes observed inPalestinians and Bedouin... The study demonstrates that the Y chromosome pool of Jews is an integral part of the genetic landscape of the region and, in particular, that Jews exhibit a high degree of genetic affinity to populations living in the north of the Fertile Crescent.


    The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East


    Both the extent and location of the maternal ancestral deme from which the Ashkenazi Jewry arose remain obscure. Here, using complete sequences of the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), we show that close to one-half of Ashkenazi Jews, estimated at 8,000,000 people, can be traced back to only 4 women carrying distinct mtDNAs that are virtually absent in other populations, with the important exception of low frequencies among non-Ashkenazi Jews. We conclude that four founding mtDNAs, likely of Near Eastern ancestry, underwent major expansion(s) in Europe within the past millennium.


    The Matrilineal Ancestry of Ashkenazi Jewry: Portrait of a Recent Founder
    Event


    DNA Evidence

    Modern DNA studies on the Y chromosome of Jews worldwide have largely disproven the Khazar origin theory for the vast majority of Jews, including the Ashkenazi.

    A 1999 study by Hammer et al., published in the Proceedings of the United States National Academy of Sciences compared the Y chromosomes of Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian Jews with 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. It found that "Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level... The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."[50] According to Nicholas Wade "The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism."[51]

    A 2001 study by Nebel et al. found Haplogroup R1a chromosomes (called Eu 19 in the paper), which are very frequent in Eastern European populations (54%-60%), at elevated frequency (12.7%) in Ashkenazi Jews. The authors hypothesized that these chromosomes could reflect low-level gene flow into Ashkenazi populations from surrounding Eastern European populations, or, alternatively, that both the Ashkenazi Jews in Haplogroup R1a, and to a greater extent all Eastern European populations in general, might have some partial Khazar ancestry.[52]

    A 2003 study of the Y-chromosome by Behar et al. found that among Ashkenazi Levites, who comprise approximately 4% of Ashkenazi Jews, the prevalence of Haplogroup R1a1 was over 50%. This haplogroup is uncommon in other Jewish groups, but found in high frequencies in eastern European populations. They argued that "it is likely that the event leading to a high frequency of R1a1 NRYs within the Ashkenazi Levites involved very few, and possibly only one, founding father." They postulated that one likely source of the gene was a "a founder(s) of non-Jewish European ancestry, whose descendents were able to assume Levite status", and that an alternate "attractive source would be the Khazarian Kingdom, whose ruling class is thought to have converted to Judaism in the 8th or 9th century." They concluded that "Although neither the NRY haplogroup composition of the majority of Ashkenazi Jews nor the microsatellite haplotype composition of the R1a1 haplogroup within Ashkenazi Levites is consistent with a major Khazar or other European origin, as has been speculated by some authors (Baron 1957; Dunlop 1967; Ben-Sasson 1976; Keys 1999), one cannot rule out the important contribution of a single or a few founders among contemporary Ashkenazi Levites."[53]

    A 2005 study by Nebel et al., based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their local neighbouring populations in Europe. However, 11.5% of male Ashkenazim were found to belong to Haplogroup R1a1 (R-M17), the dominant Y chromosome haplogroup in Eastern Europeans, suggesting possible gene flow between the two groups. The authors hypothesized that "R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazim may represent vestiges of the mysterious Khazars". They concluded "However, if the R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazi Jews do indeed represent the vestiges of the mysterious Khazars then, according to our data, this contribution was limited to either a single founder or a few closely related men, and does not exceed ~ 12% of the present-day Ashkenazim.[54]

    A 2010 study on Jewish ancestry by Atzmon et al. says "Two major groups were identified by principal component, phylogenetic, and identity by descent (IBD) analysis: Middle Eastern Jews and European/Syrian Jews. The IBD segment sharing and the proximity of European Jews to each other and to southern European populations suggested similar origins for European Jewry and refuted large-scale genetic contributions of Central and Eastern European and Slavic populations to the formation of Ashkenazi Jewry."[55]



    Genetic studies on Ashkenazi Jewery
     
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    The Jihadists consider 15 and 16 year olds to be of fighting age without the circumstances that actually surrounded their deaths which B'tselem and rememberthechildren.org do not provide it is impossible to know if they were being employed as child soldiers, suicide bombers, etc.
     
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    The UN defines ethnic cleansing as: "rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove from a given area persons of another ethnic or religious group."
    Interesting then that Israel proper alone has a nearly 30% Arab population and this population and the populations of the West Bank and Gaza have exponential population growths.
     
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    More Palestinian children killed

    1 February 2008

    Nuraldeen Muhammad Madi, 14, of Shati refugee camp, Gaza, died of cancer after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.


    19 February 2008

    Tamer Muhammad Abdul-Riziq abu-Shar, 9, of Wadi al-Salqa, near Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire to his head while he and his family attempted to flee their home during an incursion.

    Said Muhammad Said al-Aidi, 2, of Rafah, Gaza, died of a congenital liver defect after he was denied permission by Israel to return to Abul-Rish Hospital for Children in Cairo for medical treatment. Treatment at the hospital had begun in December 2006 and required Said to return again in six months.


    25 February 2008

    Shihab Muhammad Khleif, 20 days, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, died of a heart defect after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.


    26 February 2008

    Muhammad Amin abu-Watfa, 12, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of a brain hemorrhage after Israel denied him permission to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment.


    27 February 2008

    Bilal Kamel Fakhri Hijazi, 14, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF missiles from a helicopter while standing near an abandoned Palestinian rocket launcher.

    Muhammad Khalil Suleiman Hamada, 13, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF missiles from a helicopter while standing near an abandoned Palestinian rocket launcher.

    Muhammad Nasr Abdul-Aziz al-Boray, 7 months, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed by shrapnel from IDF missiles to his head and chest while in his home when IDF aircraft destroyed the neighboring Ministry of Interior building. Muhammad was the only child of parents who struggled with infertility for five years before he was born.


    28 February 2008

    Muhammad Naim Mahmoud Hamuda, 13, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF missile fire from a helicopter while playing soccer near his home with friends.

    Ali Munir Muhammad Dardunah, 6, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with his first cousin and a distant cousin, by IDF missile fire from a helicopter while playing soccer near his home with friends.

    Omar Hussein Muhammad Dardunah, 14, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with his first cousin and a distant cousin, by IDF missile fire from a helicopter while playing soccer near his home with friends.

    Dardunah Deeb Khalil Dardunah, 10, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed by IDF missile fire from a helicopter while playing soccer near his home with friends.

    Amjad Hafiz Khaydar al-Sakani, 16, of Gaza City, Gaza, killed by IDF gunfire during a funeral near the Gaza perimeter fence.


    29 February 2008

    Ala Ayman Omar al-Burno, 17, of Gaza City, Gaza, died of wounds sustained on Feb. 28 from an IDF missile from a helicopter while talking with a Palestinian police officer near a Shati refugee camp police station.

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    Israel has been found to have committed ethnic cleansing and I provided proof some time ago. She would have been charged at the time if a) the Western World was being told the truth and not complicit in what she was up to and b) the term ethnic cleansing had been invented. She continues. It is one of the crimes the Palestinian State can take to the ICC. Ethnic Cleansing is a crime against Humanity.
     
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    Palestinian children killed December 31, 2008

    31 December 2008

    Shaban Adel Hamed Hanif, 16, of Rafah, Gaza, died of wounds sustained Dec. 27 in an IDF attack on the UNRWA Gaza Training School in Gaza City, Gaza.

    Mahmoud Majed Mahmoud abu-Nahla, 17, of Rafah, Gaza, died of wounds sustained Dec. 27 in an IDF missile strike on the Rafah police station.

    Ismail Talal Shehada Hamdan, 9, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, died of wounds sustained Dec. 30 in an IDF missile strike which also killed two of his sisters.

    Tariq Yasir Muhammad Afana, 16, of Jabalya refugee camp, Gaza, killed in an IDF helicopter missile strike during a targeted assassination attempt

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    Palestinian children killed December 30, 2008

    30 December 2008

    Lama Talal Shehada Hamdan, 4, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed, with her sister, by an IDF missile strike while standing near her home in the al-Rayes area of Beit Hanoun. Her brother died the next day from injuries sustained during the attack.

    Haya Talal Shehada Hamdan, 12, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed, with her sister, by an IDF missile strike while standing near her home in the al-Rayes area of Beit Hanoun. Her brother died the next day from injuries sustained during the attack.

    Muhammad Majed Ibrahim Kabar, 17, of Jabalya, Gaza, killed by the IDF near the Zemu roundabout in the northern Gaza Strip

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    Palestinian children killed December 29, 2008

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    29 December 2008

    Imad Jamal Shehada abu-Khater, 15, of Jabalya, Gaza, killed by the IDF near the Zemu roundabout in the northern Gaza Strip.

    Diya Aref Farhood abu-Khubeiza, 15, of Nuseirat refugee camp, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Nuseirat refugee camp.

    Muath Yasir al-Abed abu-Teir, 6, of Abasan al-Kabira, near Khan Younis, Gaza, killed by the IDF in Abasan al-Kabira.

    Sidqi Ziad Mahmoud al-Absi, 4, of Rafah refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with two brothers, by an IDF missile while in his home.

    Ahmad Ziad Mahmoud al-Absi, 12, of Rafah refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with two brothers, by an IDF missile while in his home.

    Muhammad Ziad Mahmoud al-Absi, 14, of Rafah refugee camp, Gaza, killed, with two brothers, by an IDF missile while in his home.

    Wisam Akram Rabi Eid, 12, of Beit Hanoun, Gaza, killed by the IDF near the Zemu roundabout in the northern Gaza Strip.

    Mahmoud Nabil Deeb Ghabayen, 13, of Jabalya refugee camp, killed by the IDF near the Zemu roundabout in the northern Gaza Strip.

    Shadi Yusef Ramadan Ghaben, 14, of Beit Lahya, Gaza, killed by an IDF bomb in the al-Ghoboun farmland near Beit Lahya.

    Muhammad Basil Mahmoud Madi, 17, of Jabalya refugee camp, killed by the IDF near the Zemu roundabout in the northern Gaza Strip.
     

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