Forty-one Thousand Hours

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  1. kriman

    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Forty-one thousand hours of security tapes were turned over to Tucker Carlson. Let's think about that number for just a minute.

    There are 8760 hours in a year. That means there are 4 years and 35 weeks of tapes. It would be physically impossible for one person to have watched all those tapes.

    The January 6th Commission cherry picked. Tucker Carlson cherry picked. At this time I am not sure who I believe. It is fairly obvious that neither is totally right. It was not totally violent and it was not totally peaceful. The answer lies somewhere between the two.
     
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    Not really. Some were seditious insurrectionists and some were fools.
    The guilty were charged and the fools dodged a bullet.
     
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    Release it everyone. Millions of internet sleuths will crunch out the relevant video. Each according to their own bias, of course, but we'll see everything there is to see in the macro.

    And it won't cost a single penny.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The problem is that people will see what they want to see or what someone wants us to see. The Jan 6th violence advocates will see hours of violence and the those that don't believe the Jan 6 investigation will see hours of peace.
     
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    I don’t need to see security tapes to know that a mob of angry trumptards broke into the capitol. That is a violent act in of itself. I don’t care how civil they were after they entered.
     
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    If there was nothing to hide, Pelosi et al would not be hiding anything. If there was not a setup, Pelosi wouldn't have refused National Guard support. We know very little. What we do know is that the FBI lied under oath when they claimed that there was no ANTIFA or BLM presence. John Sullivan was in the Capitol, a witness to the murder of an unarmed woman. He was trespassing, a crime that others were tortured for months before trial for committing. Wray should go to jail.
    Judges who denied change of venue requests and abetted the trampling of the Constitution should not get away with their crimes without severe punishment.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Was the violence isolated events or was it continuous? If you believe the Jan 6 committee, it was several hours of continuous violence. If you believe Tucker Carlson, it was mostly peaceful with a few minutes of violence.

    When you have two opposing forces, a group of policemen defending a building and a group of demonstrators, there will be confrontations.

    I look back at my eleven months in Vietnam. I remember most vividly, the attacks by the Viet Cong. There were six of them. The Viet Cong would take their small boats up one of numerous canals about two miles away and shoot at us with mortars and recoilless rifles. They would scatter before the AC-47s aircraft could show up. I am not sure how long exactly how long those attacks lasted, but I guess about fifteen minutes. That would be a total of about an hour and a half out of eleven months. Except for those relatively short events, my tour in Vietnam was pretty safe. But those are what I tend to remember.

    Are those short violent events in January 6th the ones that are remembered out of hours of peace, or was it the other way around.
     
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    It was a peaceful protest that some turned into a riot. The same thing happened during the riots of 2020. BLM held peaceful protests and others used it to break laws.
     
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    How do you know who broke into the Capitol without viewing the Progressive Fascists changing from Nazi Black to Trump Red in the bushes outside the Capitol ,,, or whether they were let into the Capitol by Police without viewing Capitol Police opening the doors?

    Americans would like to see the exculpatory evidence that has been hidden. We might find out that the crowd walking from Trump's speech after the attack on the Capitol started was mostly peaceful while violence incited by the FBI and their agitators before the end of Trump's speech was not.
     
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    As Tucker said in his first show.... there is a lot a static scenes of empty unoccupied offices and such...and remember the Capitol Police are controlling what is released through the government portal that Tucker uses, the same one the illegit unconstitutional committee used...
     
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    After 2 years of Progressive Fascists releasing the same snippets that indict the same small group of people over and over, it would be a mistake to flood the airwaves with huge volumes of exculpatory footage. There are reasons people who never entered the Capitol were arrested and held in solitary confinement. It wasn't because Pelosi and her secret police wanted the footage on their phones released. The fact that 41000 hours of footage escaped erasure by the secret police was a victory for our country and the freedoms we used to enjoy.
     
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    Just my two cents worth...
    I'm seeing there may be a reason the peaceful crowd went from peaceful to violent.... Flash bangs and pepper spray tend to piss people off when they are peaceful... taken one guy aside and beating him with their fist in front of them may be another...

    https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1421942908954062853

    https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/...d-jan-6-crowd-by-firing-flash-bangs-tear-gas/

    https://www.worldtribune.com/report...d-jan-6-crowd-by-firing-flash-bangs-tear-gas/

    https://rumble.com/vj4p3j-capitol-police-throw-flashbangs-on-peaceful-crowd-january-6-2021.html

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...rats-media-dc-police-refuse-release-evidence/

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    Being told what we should believe seems to be achieving that same result. At least if its all released to the public, we'll know we're not be lied to about it. Or at least not being lied to about whats recorded.
     
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    Your two cents are worth more than the knee jerk reaction of those dismissing the videos simply because Tucker is showing them. It's been said the Democrats should have released them when they had the power to do so. It's reasonable to draw the inference that they were hiding something when they didn't.
     
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    Much of what you claim is untrue. Pelosi did not refuse National Guard help as a matter of fact while the attack was taking place she requested it.
    The Fbi did not lie under oath about BLM and Antifa's involvement hat is untrue.
    There is no evidence of any of the suspects arrested being tortured.
    Investigation into the woman's death found it was a justifiable shoot

    Evidence at every turn does not support these opinions.
     
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    If there is nothing to hide... release the emails between Pelosi and the CP... enquiring minds want to know...
     
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    The obvious question is what is there that needs to continue to be hidden, other than the public narrative's continued supportability, which, given the video evidence isn't supportable anymore.
     
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    I don't care for "obvious". I care for evidence. I don't know what Tucker Carlson has cherry picked, but he has been caught lyinig too many times to believe that this time it will be any different. We shall see. As for the January 6th Commission, you would have to SHOW what they were wrong about. A quote and evidence that they were "not right" would be appreciated.

    Neither was World War II. Binary thinking is rarely productive in ANY discussion.
     
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    So, given your narrative, you simply believe the folks who continually lie to you? Because that's essentially what you've just written. And then you scoff at the idea.. the irony.. Oh well. Show us that the footage released is manipulated, or otherwise manufactured, and you can get a brownie star. Otherwise, you're simply dredging up personal angst for no good reason, and it's tiring...
     
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    Exactly the opposite. I believe EVERYBODY is telling the truth until they are PROVEN to have lied in the past. In the case of Tucker, it's not difficult. It has been adjudicated that he's a liar.

    Can you think of any other network that claims to provide "news" whose main personality is an individual who has been legally adjudicated (by a Trump appointee, no less) a professional liar?
     
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    Your logic doesn't hold up. Even pathological liars tell the truth sometimes. To draw the conclusion that a person who has lied many times doesn't equate to everything he says being a lie.
     
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    there was a more or less peaceful protest on jan 6 that trump's minions organized as diversion/distraction from the serious violence of the oath keepers/pound boys etc.
     
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    What makes them "Trump's minions "? Only those who peacefully and patriotically protested were Trump's supporters.
     
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    41K!!! and how many hours worth of footage are there of all of the leftist riots with burning buildings and all? How many you think? I bet its way less (even though there are potential for MILLIONS of hours of footage from all of those MANY MANY lefty riots)
     
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    https://americanmilitarynews.com/20...n-6th-asks-congress-to-release-his-testimony/
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...ms-antifa-activists-attacked-capitol-n1259297
    About John Sullivan
    He founded Insurgence USA, a protest group for “racial justice and police reform,” and began referring to himself as “Activist John” — filling his Twitter feeds with anti-President Trump rhetoric and posts supporting Black Lives Matter, as well as about his participation in recent protests.

    He documented his day infiltrating the Jan. 6 MAGA riot on his account, @realjaydenx, posting snippets of the footage he shot on his phone of the chaos inside the Capitol building — and the fatal shooting of QAnon supporter Ashli Babbitt.
    https://nypost.com/2021/01/15/who-is-john-sullivan-accused-provocateur-charged-in-capitol-riot/


    So John Sullivan, a BLM supporter, broke into the Capitol ,,, Wray claimed all the protesters were incited by Trump

    Solitary confinement for months without the possibility of a speedy trial is both torture and unconstitutional.

    Who deemed the murder of a 130 lb unarmed woman justifiable? The murderer or his buddies?

    Facts are facts.
     

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